From lojban-beginners+bncCJLV_tPeERD1rPLyBBoElWP08Q@googlegroups.com Tue Aug 30 00:51:43 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QyJ6W-0007Sx-66; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:51:42 -0700 Received: by ywa6 with SMTP id 6sf11296224ywa.16 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:51:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yhEHqhXWKEQcII5dqdcYeqbi3J3q2x4lyD1gFvAs3yI=; b=TlFAhNSiwJ3cuxLdk0Sc9N2hLCkF7CylJweggUIDjnEZoGU+dxA80npm5WYjjIC3sM F+aBQfVotGA1YQCDdLXRYVTyp8H60My7n/6UtSQKRJ8O0Bj95qt8Y47xz71E00vjWxSB 32noxiKzsRabU+3RbcGIlqF+Q+bcUeOCgPSvo= Received: by 10.151.77.37 with SMTP id e37mr959255ybl.34.1314690677931; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:51:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.197.39 with SMTP id z39ls3133737anp.2.gmail; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.176.136 with SMTP id b8mr24965196yhm.7.1314690677471; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.109.2 with SMTP id h2msybc; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:07:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.96.7 with SMTP id y7mr431463wfl.63.1314666459218; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by p37g2000prp.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:07:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <41f3563c-23b4-4c7b-96fc-8b5fcd11033a@z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <144c6f02-30c0-4257-88ab-5f2951c2fa48@c29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> <2fe2465c-df10-499c-9698-3eb60d4bc1a3@m35g2000prl.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/6.0,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban "r" From: Viral Lamb To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: jms1992@comcast.net Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you pronounce "er" like the "er" in "better"? That means your using a silent 'e'? On Aug 29, 6:01=A0pm, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I pronounce {er} like in "bett*er*". I pronounce {eir} like in "*air*". T= he > two do not sound alike, and I don't have Luke's problem with thinking it > sounds too "Englishy" to pronounce {er} like that. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Viral Lamb wrote: > > Uh, not being able to tell the difference between the 'e' and 'ei' > > sound because of the letter 'r' does have the potential for > > misunderstandings. This isn't just a "oh well its close enough", this > > goes very much against one of the founding principles of the language, > > audiovisual isomorphism. Considering all the different cmene, lujvo, > > and fu'ivla you could create, I see lots of room for this problem to > > crop up. > > > And no, its not just "some people" who have a problem pronouncing "er" > > and "eir" differently, its everyone from what I can see. I've yet to > > see how anyone "could" pronounce them differently. If anyone would > > like to prove me wrong I'm all ears. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.