From lojban-beginners+bncCOjSjrXVGBDC2_PyBBoEZHhfag@googlegroups.com Tue Aug 30 07:04:13 2011 Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QyOuz-00008Z-Mf; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:04:12 -0700 Received: by yie36 with SMTP id 36sf9367697yie.16 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:03:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7jbJSY0UHxVD4MVWkBbQFD+2UwMGmxodMNOiqa6s3bU=; b=HIBFUmpvLckkYPCCRRET5R9MDfo5j8EByCIpnfTdKqL7kZbctbX8x5/6/eUf8kf0NY TIdV2+u5k+1FKsmkBX3Ia7CSqo+A4sWq6Ta3hyixWDcAxOGqx9WQHjH/YhU4eVCw5TFx zA3IITUVv7KWFsl1PHpQ/iWKt9bMRZgBpKp7U= Received: by 10.150.72.18 with SMTP id u18mr1015081yba.53.1314713026876; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:03:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.140.11 with SMTP id n11ls10389172ybd.3.gmail; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.185.4 with SMTP id t4mr26797429yhm.3.1314713025825; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.185.4 with SMTP id t4mr26797426yhm.3.1314713025813; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f45.google.com (mail-yw0-f45.google.com [209.85.213.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d41si3453546yhe.3.2011.08.30.07.03.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.45; Received: by ywf9 with SMTP id 9so6334924ywf.4 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.197.104 with SMTP id s68mr34179577yhn.20.1314713024581; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:03:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.109.163 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:03:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D382F29DCAA@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> References: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D382F29DCAA@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> From: Luke Bergen Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:03:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban "r" To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3040ec04cfcf7f04abb97a9f --20cf3040ec04cfcf7f04abb97a9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, in any case... On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > The "er" in "payer" is /=C9=99=C9=B9/ -> [=C9=B9=CC=A9] in my dialect. "e= r" in "lerfu" should > be /er/, which could be [=CE=B5r], [=CE=B5=C9=B9], [e=C9=BE], or any of s= everal other > combinations. > > Pierre > + On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 5:08 AM, tijlan wrote: > > I take your audio as follows: > > er [=C9=9B(=CB=90)r] > eir [e=C9=AAr] > r [=C9=9A=CB=90] > lrfu [l=C9=99rfu] > cirlrfu [=CA=83=C9=AArl=C9=99rfu] > cirlerfu [=CA=83=C9=AArl=C9=9Brfu] > > =3D I'm happy with my pronunciation. People are hearing what the CLL describes as a valid pronunciation so I'm done. (I'll grant you I should work on making the [=C9=9B] of my {er} not be long). --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --20cf3040ec04cfcf7f04abb97a9f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, in any case...


On Fri,= Aug 26, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Pierre Abbat=C2=A0<phma@phma.optus.nu>=C2=A0wrote= :

The "er" in "payer" is /=C9= =99=C9=B9/ -> [=C9=B9=CC=A9] in my dialect. "er" in "lerf= u" should
be /er/, which could be [=CE=B5r], [=CE=B5=C9=B9], [e=C9= =BE], or any of several other
combinations.

Pierre

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On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 5:08 AM, tijlan= =C2=A0<jbotijla= n@gmail.com>=C2=A0wrote:

I take your audio as follows:

=C2=A0er [= =C9=9B(=CB=90)r]
=C2=A0eir [e=C9=AAr]
=C2=A0r [=C9=9A=CB=90]
=C2= =A0lrfu [l=C9=99rfu]
=C2=A0cirlrfu [=CA=83=C9=AArl=C9=99rfu]
=C2=A0ci= rlerfu [=CA=83=C9=AArl=C9=9Brfu]


= =3D=C2=A0

I'm happy with my=C2=A0pronunciation. =C2=A0People are heari= ng what the CLL describes as a valid=C2=A0pronunciation so I'm done. = =C2=A0(I'll grant you I should work on making the [=C9=9B] of my {er} n= ot be long).

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