From lojban-beginners+bncCML0xpmUARD82fXyBBoEOHmu0w@googlegroups.com Tue Aug 30 16:06:51 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QyXOK-00014u-4E; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:06:51 -0700 Received: by wwf4 with SMTP id 4sf213341wwf.16 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:06:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=XG/s4U1Zg0D1RX02ebT4uDmLNxoqwZgFBAA04U4WASI=; b=semLdXWrrjNo2m0tc70kZL7XfLqUMJLhga1YYZesWPeae5kjUWNGHjtFrm0NGC2JkZ M0dYeBPOPSFCLfJlj3l4FsPIm6D1A5ccI1dog+N5JHVeLCNWkWWsRI20g/cNtPruE1EY euAYH4Q0xYAuIiVI5fwfrCjgbNTh/xxGHAiqw= Received: by 10.216.181.80 with SMTP id k58mr1886717wem.12.1314745596485; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:06:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.8.5 with SMTP id f5ls1207508ebf.2.gmail; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.28.145 with SMTP id m17mr382309ebc.11.1314745595154; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.28.145 with SMTP id m17mr382308ebc.11.1314745595122; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f51.google.com (mail-fx0-f51.google.com [209.85.161.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m9si16433faf.0.2011.08.30.16.06.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.51; Received: by fxh10 with SMTP id 10so151223fxh.10 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.98.130 with SMTP id q2mr2279006fan.137.1314745594892; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.100.13 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:06:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110826170823.GB17646@alice.local> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:06:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojbanifying the Tranquility Calendar From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bed8227527504abc110b8 --0015174bed8227527504abc110b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Making a fu'ivla for "tranquility" is malgli; making a fu'ivla for "tranquil" and then using a {ka} or something similar is less malgli. (Frankly I think this would not be that hard to render in a lujvo. Perhaps with {cando}, although I'm not sure how well that applies to the ambient notion of tranquility.) Also a possible problem is that the stress is (and must be, to maintain brivla morphology) {tran-ku-i-LI-ti}, which sounds odd to an English ear. mu'o mi'e latros On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Remo Dentato wrote: > I'd be intrested in knowing more about this fictional characters and the > effects of him speaking lojban! > > > On Friday, August 26, 2011, DataPacRat wrote: > > Year names: > > * BT, Before Tranquility > > * AT, After Tranquility > > The first thing is to decide how render "Tranquility" that is a specific > instance of an English word (and not just the translation of {tolxanka}. > Anyway, we're lucky that both start with 't' :) > > Let's create a fu'ivla for such important word: {trankuiliti} and let's > hope someone will do better. > > So for the purpose of the years, we can consider events "before > Tranquility" to have happened {pu lo trankuiliti} and abbreviate it as > {pyty} and events "after Tranquility" to have happened {ba lo trankuiliti} > and abbreviate it as {byty}. It's unfortunate that now "bt" means exactly > the opposite it did earlier, but so is life. > Now,since lerfu strings can be legally used as numbers, 12BT can be {li > parepyty} (12 in past of Tranquility) and 31AT would be {li cipabyty} (31 > in the future of Tranquility). > > > > Individual days: > > "Landing" is another word that needs some work. Jonathan suggested {stagai} > which is more like anchoring/parking. I see it different from the act of > "landing" which (to me) is the end on land of a travel that did not occur on > land. > > I could not think of anything better than {tumkla} = "x1=k1 comes/goes to > destination x2=k2=t1 from origin x3=k3 via route x4=k4 using means/vehicle > x5=k5". > I know, every lujvo made with {klama} seems trivial and abused, but I > couldn't find of a better way to indicate a destination (after all, we don't > even have a gismu for "arriving" which is simply the opposite of leaving!). > > > I'm also convinced that weekdays names should be names and I like forming > names with rafsi, so here are my proposals > > > * Moon Landing Day -> {tumkladj} > > * Armstrong Day -> {armstrongydj} > > * Aldrin Day -> {aldrinydj} > > > Days of the week: > > * Venusday -> {venusydj} > > * Saturnday -> {saturydj} > > * Solday -> {solydj} > > * Lunaday -> {lunadj} > > * Marsday -> {marsydj} > > * Mercuryday -> {mercurydj} > > * Jupiterday -> {djupiterydj} > > > > > Months: > > * Archimedes -> > > * Brahe > > * Copernicus > > * Darwin > > * Einstein > > * Faraday > > * Galileo > > * Hippocrates > > * Imhotep > > * Jung > > * Kepler > > * Lavoisier > > * Mendel > > > > > > Thank you for your time, > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0015174bed8227527504abc110b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Making a fu'ivla for "tranquility" is malgli; making a fu'= ;ivla for "tranquil" and then using a {ka} or something similar i= s less malgli. (Frankly I think this would not be that hard to render in a = lujvo. Perhaps with {cando}, although I'm not sure how well that applie= s to the ambient notion of tranquility.) Also a possible problem is that th= e stress is (and must be, to maintain brivla morphology) {tran-ku-i-LI-ti},= which sounds odd to an English ear.

mu'o mi'e latros

On Mon, Aug = 29, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd be intrested in =A0knowing more about this fictional characters and= the effects of him speaking lojban!


On Friday, Au= gust 26, 2011, DataPacRat <datapacrat@gmail.com> wrote:
> Year names:
> * BT, Before Tranquility
> * AT, After= Tranquility

The first thing is to decide how render "Tranquili= ty" that is a specific instance of an English word (and not just the t= ranslation of {tolxanka}. Anyway, we're lucky that both start with '= ;t' :)

Let's create a fu'ivla for such important word: {trankuiliti} a= nd let's hope someone will do better.

So for the purpose of the = years, we can consider events "before Tranquility" to have happen= ed {pu lo trankuiliti} and abbreviate it as {pyty} and events "after T= ranquility" to have happened {ba lo trankuiliti} and abbreviate it as = {byty}. It's unfortunate that now "bt" means exactly the oppo= site it did earlier, but so is life.
Now,since lerfu strings can be legally used as numbers, =A012BT can be {li = parepyty} =A0(12 in past of Tranquility) and 31AT would be {li cipabyty} (3= 1 in the future of Tranquility).


> Individual days:

&q= uot;Landing" is another word that needs some work. Jonathan suggested = {stagai} which is more like anchoring/parking. I see it different from the = act of "landing" which (to me) is the end on land of a travel tha= t did not occur on land.

I could not think of anything better than {tumkla} =3D "x1=3Dk1 comes/goes to destination x2=3Dk2= =3Dt1 from origin x3=3Dk3 via route x= 4=3Dk4 using means/vehicle x5=3Dk5&q= uot;.
I know, every lujvo made with {klama} seems trivial and abused, but I could= n't find of a better way to indicate a destination (after all, we don&#= 39;t even have a gismu for "arriving" which is simply the opposit= e of leaving!).=A0

I'm also convinced that weekdays names should be names and I like f= orming names with rafsi, so here are my proposals

> * Moon Landing Day=A0=A0 ->=A0 {tumkladj}
> * Armstrong Day=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ->=A0 {armstrongydj}
> *= Aldrin Day=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -> {aldrinydj}
=
> Days of the week:
> * Venusday=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 -> {venusydj}
> * Saturnday=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 ->=A0 {saturydj}
> * Solday=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -> {sol= ydj}
> * Lunaday=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 -> {luna= dj}
> * Marsday=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 -> {mar= sydj}
> * Mercuryday=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -> {mercurydj}<= br>> * Jupiterday=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -> {djupiterydj= }

>
> Months:
> * Archimedes=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -> =
> * Brahe
> * Copernicus
> * Darwin
> * Einstein> * Faraday
> * Galileo
> * Hippocrates
> * Imhotep<= br>> * Jung
> * Kepler
> * Lavoisier
> * Mendel
>
>
> Thank you for you= r time,

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