From lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhD3t_byBBoEiTgS0A@googlegroups.com Tue Aug 30 19:27:19 2011 Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QyaWJ-0006Rl-OZ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:27:19 -0700 Received: by bkbzu5 with SMTP id zu5sf72135bkb.16 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:27:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=A7EXFwlgDAfhTxaVJQDgGgW6inYy27QpkJ2ClnGixQY=; b=NOp8zyC4kEnXTw+4ArIi3x+ITPlxyWL0SzrkKhLQJwmFDyxzVU8WBVWASS4OyHxaxv 0f4T9GesrvO269F+x3d4j56F9NkE0CKMGKf4+FH3XKK/ttDNPrwlVglOTa08pfAntuza Rrb2If6RrcHzeYIhOd9w7ecNCCLzBqLIASMB4= Received: by 10.223.25.193 with SMTP id a1mr1701948fac.48.1314757623997; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:27:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.148.152 with SMTP id p24ls952422bkv.0.gmail; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.3 with SMTP id m3mr155184bkw.17.1314757622805; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.3 with SMTP id m3mr155183bkw.17.1314757622779; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f50.google.com (mail-bw0-f50.google.com [209.85.214.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a16si325771bku.3.2011.08.30.19.27.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.50; Received: by mail-bw0-f50.google.com with SMTP id zu5so257390bkb.9 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:27:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.22.16 with SMTP id l16mr2182980fab.62.1314757621350; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.41.68 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:27:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4882a06e-2e00-4240-94f2-10f89a34325a@r8g2000prd.googlegroups.com> References: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D382F29DCA9@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> <4882a06e-2e00-4240-94f2-10f89a34325a@r8g2000prd.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 20:27:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban "r" From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517493b6cfc832804abc3dcf6 --001517493b6cfc832804abc3dcf6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry, I realize now my comment was ambiguous: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Viral Lamb wrote: > Nah, "Vi" doesn't make every "V" sound with it just sound like a > lengthening. This is just a problem with the letter 'e' right next to > 'r' causing this problem. > > On Aug 30, 7:02 am, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > > It sounds like this might be a more generic problem than just "er". Do > you > > > have trouble hearing a different between "ar" and "air" as well? > > > > I have no trouble distinguishing between {ar} as in "f*ar*" and {air} as > in > > "f*ir*e". > > > > > Does "Vi" just tend to sound like "V" lengthened? > I was commenting on this part: > Is this just a generic > > > issue in linguistics in general? > > > > I think I'd be willing to place money on that. > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Viral Lamb <jms1992@comcast.net> wrot= e:
Nah, "Vi" doesn't make every = "V" sound with it just sound like a
lengthening. This is just a problem with the letter 'e' right next = to
'r' causing this problem.

On Aug 30, 7:02=A0am, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeaber...@gmail.com> wrote:<= br> > > It sounds like this might be a more generic problem than just &qu= ot;er". =A0Do you
> > have trouble hearing a different between "ar" and "= ;air" as well?
>
> I have no trouble distinguishing between {ar} as in "f*ar*&= quot; and {air} as in
> "f*ir*e".
>
> > Does "Vi" just tend to sound like "V" lengthe= ned?

I was commenting on this part:
=A0
<= /div>
=A0Is this just a generic
> > issue in linguistics in general?
>
> I think I'd be willing to =A0place money on that.
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo= 'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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