From lojban-beginners+bncCIici4jiChCKm_XxBBoEwnicjQ@googlegroups.com Sat Aug 06 07:20:10 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QphjQ-0005lB-Uw; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 07:20:10 -0700 Received: by wwf4 with SMTP id 4sf2866594wwf.16 for ; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 07:19:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=GXPZSD4iCgm1i4UHxFiSTCzFaqsp4tYdWbhuBz0drXw=; b=s4OKTjBrsvHmQ+NqhafWjdbx0YLZEYA1dZxLC/5MtHjQS0fJyd4LLMyBlBvW18uFNr 6+J7C7euZa0xODOIJpclry0JFMPNLT3TO3XPJWACQLHAd6BRMTDqjFFA5j6ouCsMQ/6b /W80YHSAVhOVIgt2//WXofqftUD12hfoMgatQ= Received: by 10.216.240.141 with SMTP id e13mr629929wer.26.1312640394221; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 07:19:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.106.37 with SMTP id v37ls15068129wbo.1.gmail; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 07:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.23.196 with SMTP id s4mr187077wbb.10.1312640393229; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 07:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.23.196 with SMTP id s4mr187076wbb.10.1312640393208; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 07:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fm12si1710430wbb.3.2011.08.06.07.19.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 06 Aug 2011 07:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.47; Received: by wwf4 with SMTP id 4so966065wwf.16 for ; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 07:19:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.65.79 with SMTP id e57mr1511671wed.77.1312640392800; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 07:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.46.207 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 07:19:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 23:49:52 +0930 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] What is the real use of "jo'a?" From: "David Gowers (kampu)" <00ai99@gmail.com> To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: 00ai99@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=00ai99@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce003ec54a8ed04a9d6e8a5 --000e0ce003ec54a8ed04a9d6e8a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Jed wrote: > "na'i" and "jo'a" are officially defined as "metalinguistic no" and > "metalinguistic yes," respectively. I can understand "na'i" being used > in philosophical discussions, or when one simply doesn't feel like > answering the question they have been asked. However, does this mean > that "jo'a" has even less actual meaning, and means nothing concrete > beyond "yes, I heard you, maybe I'll answer, maybe I won't"? > HAS NOT RTFM :) http://dag.github.com/cll/15/10/ jo'a is the direct opposite of na'i -- used to indicate that a construct or presupposition, while unusual, is in fact correct. As for it's use -- well... this is what comes to mind: "jo'a" "na'i" "jo'a" "na'i" "ba'e jo'a" "ba'e na'i" "ba'e jo'a" "ba'e na'i" "ba'e jo'asai" "ba'e na'isai" (if you haven't guessed, this is the classic playground argument 'IS!' 'IS NOT!!' 'IS TOO!' 'IS NOT!'.) More seriously, some of the Lojban I wrote in IRC would benefit from jo'a flagging. for instance, I wrote something meaning "I am orange in a way that has sent-ness (compelled by a small fruit [the sent-ness, that is])" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --000e0ce003ec54a8ed04a9d6e8a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Jed = <three65= daysaweek@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://dag.github.com/cll/15/1= 0/
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jo'a is the direct opposite of na'i -- used to indicate that a = construct or presupposition, while unusual, is in fact correct.
As for i= t's use -- well... this is what comes to mind:

"jo'a&qu= ot;
=A0"na'i"
"jo'a"
=A0"na&#= 39;i"
"ba'e jo'a"
=A0"ba'e na'i"
"ba'e jo'a"
=A0"ba'e na'i"
"ba'e jo'asai"
=A0"ba'e na'isai"


(if you haven't guessed, this is the classic playground argumen= t 'IS!' 'IS NOT!!' 'IS TOO!' 'IS NOT!'.)
More seriously, some of the Lojban I wrote in IRC would benefit from j= o'a flagging. for instance, I wrote something meaning
"I am orange in a way that has sent-ness (compelled by a small fruit [= the sent-ness, that is])"

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