From lojban-beginners+bncCNCCoMTMDhDep6DyBBoEncnTbA@googlegroups.com Sun Aug 14 11:29:00 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QsfQd-0006hx-E2; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:28:59 -0700 Received: by yxk8 with SMTP id 8sf7769465yxk.16 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:28:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ZyMNgwIckGGEyiuD5ITSX91CJGnbIlbqMOMu4Y/xrAQ=; b=aL62lJUY3fDSzQ5DIFuIDVISzMYNWywjuC4Z/Sl8HplemqBsZ/zHFH0od1UfiGEDNG 4Jp91QuTkj8MEa26uWVlFF9Ty31Q+c/XaKso/TQtwPoN6WT7BpSvq4Ml5EEsUvP8wL/G 6fHe9MO3NQBvXp3HFHjNETqntqX0mEO6l7Ao8= Received: by 10.100.248.2 with SMTP id v2mr528288anh.9.1313346526113; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:28:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.33.135 with SMTP id h7ls3786939ibd.2.gmail; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.131.68 with SMTP id y4mr3803612ics.20.1313346525308; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.131.68 with SMTP id y4mr3803611ics.20.1313346525299; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w8si2803935pbi.2.2011.08.14.11.28.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.44; Received: by pzk36 with SMTP id 36so2085713pzk.3 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.141.18 with SMTP id o18mr1438372wfd.303.1313346525141; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:28:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.82.3 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:28:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Stela Selckiku Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:28:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] to be To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 12:51 PM, jongausib wrote: > How do you say: > > "To be or not to be, that is the question" > > in lojban. > > I haven't found any gismu to describe the act of just being (like in a > taoistic sense). To exist is not quite the same, since it says more > about the fact that you exist and not the experience of just existing/ > being. Perhaps something with {lifri}? {lifri lo su'u zasti} or {lifri lo su'u jmive} But I'm not sure that's what Hamlet meant. He was deciding whether to kill himself. I feel like the reason he doesn't say "to die or to live" is because he's not ready to say it. But he does say it a few lines later. But then he immediately softens it by saying "to sleep". But then he imagines "what dreams may come"-- hell. If I were translating that solliloquy I would think less about how to translate those particular words, and more about what words a Lojbanist would use to express those feelings. I'd want to reread the play before actually trying to translate it, but the first thing that comes to my mind is {xu ranji} = "Does it continue/persist?" mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.