From lojban-beginners+bncCOTYpsuBDhDtmbfyBBoEWHaLmA@googlegroups.com Thu Aug 18 19:39:54 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QuEzv-0000ZE-Gy; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:39:54 -0700 Received: by qyk33 with SMTP id 33sf1366230qyk.16 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:39:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UemIED/TYFEYyu7ArwcJ3dqYpM9j+nTTpMegT1+1T3s=; b=uv8fgXo8xUrMD1qI0dYoJQpqPmeCZLuDduUEoNhIvmDpHWjxnoVHtMdqgG/7Ofz6Va X2FGDEplZt2ICkvEcMfphkynR9BvCCwzPfgoUKEXcz3ZzKZY8oi3JP+FCoFGB4AGAbAj wA6KLsWry40OzefAk0egOzr4V+9wGPkvjFtSQ= Received: by 10.224.214.9 with SMTP id gy9mr77218qab.20.1313721581947; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:39:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.89.4 with SMTP id c4ls5256703qam.1.gmail; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:39:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.32.1 with SMTP id a1mr163354qad.8.1313721580583; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by f7g2000vba.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:39:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8bbb2854-9a94-4793-9b3a-65be6881a930@u28g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <039284ab-45c0-4de7-a614-1a4b9ae182f2@cq10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <61835479-d417-48a7-9c24-bdfe86ac8d4e@f7g2000vba.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help with Lojbanising English? From: Jed To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: three65daysaweek@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of three65daysaweek@yahoo.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=three65daysaweek@yahoo.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've never actually seen this done among borrowed words in any language, but it might be more phonetically appropriate to say "seamueiz" instead of "samueiz". It's the difference between "pan" as an English word to refer to a cooking tool and "pan" as a Spanish/ Japanese/Portugese word to refer to bread. Basically, "ea" might more closely resemble the first "a" in "Samways." On Jul 20, 9:25=A0am, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On the other hand, the last phoneme should be "z", not "s". =A0I don't kn= ow > anyone who pronounces Samways to rhyme with "base" rather than "bays" > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa > > > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Kirbytroid wrot= e: > > OK then, thanks for clearing that up. > > And for reminding me that the "a" sound is different from "hat", or > > "Sam", > > but I suppose that that's the price of using foreign words in Lojban. > > > On Jul 13, 1:53 am, Luke Bergen wrote: > > > And of course if you were trying to make the first "a" sound like the= "a" > > in > > > "hat" then you're out of luck. =A0That and the "i" of "kick" have no = lojban > > > letter/diphthong. > > > > Otherwise yeah, I'd go with samueis > > > On Jul 12, 2011 8:18 PM, "David Gowers (kampu)" <00a...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Kirbytroid > > =A0> wrote: > > > > >> coi > > > > >> I'm new to Lojban, and am currently working through some of the on= line > > > >> lessons. It looks really interesting, and I hope to continue learn= ing > > > >> it. > > > > >> I just wanted to know how you would write "Samways" in Lojban? > > > >> I thought that it would be "samueis", but I'd like to have it > > > >> clarified :D. > > > > >> English is not phonetically unambiguous, so some people might say > > > > samueis (IMO this is what you would get if you pronounced the name = with > > > > completely correct and clear English enunciation). People might say > > > sam,ueis > > > > or samuais or sam,uias , according to what kind of English accent t= hey > > > have. > > > > That's what you have to think about -- the kind of pronunciation yo= u > > are > > > > expecting. Lojban is unambiguous about what a particular string of > > > > characters sounds like, but you still have to decide what sound you= are > > > > intending first :) > > > > > (the comma isn't phonetically distinct, it just represents whether > > there > > > is > > > > a short pause or not. sam,ueis =3D=3D samueis with different pausat= ion.) > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > "Lojban Beginners" group.> To post to this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.> For more options, vis= it > > this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > > - Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.- Hide quoted te= xt - > > - Show quoted text - --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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