From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxDUorfyBBoEqSCong@googlegroups.com Thu Aug 18 19:58:39 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QuFI5-00014Q-2L; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:58:39 -0700 Received: by vwe42 with SMTP id 42sf2898110vwe.16 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:58:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=B707NT0bAv+nhcDunYZ8ufdLIVA63ttRDsMSw9GnpsE=; b=Kqar3pVHTD1PkZaHjP3ThdYS8L4ni94iYAEZVibRjNUsuch7kC7X+lpX2YVvgeNrM4 9M5HthL4Rgw60qCUa2rnNjdRX+rNDaRLf4ROOkzWdDbBv4Bsy10oM0PKrPIBAZohpa38 lVwlcJjjEtMY7MiwLTmmXCBfgtaVOemBDHmr0= Received: by 10.220.84.13 with SMTP id h13mr430261vcl.48.1313722708226; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:58:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.73.194 with SMTP id n2ls4717383vdv.2.gmail; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.100.39 with SMTP id ev7mr1623704vdb.26.1313722707733; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.100.39 with SMTP id ev7mr1623703vdb.26.1313722707723; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bh5si7894143vdc.3.2011.08.18.19.58.26; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=aeMH4JcVOnVr0LmJAzqEvfnmJyuaZufWdlng4HTRGCk= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=y4ievZHTOL8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=zMQauRpnN85AALiCcGoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:51874] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 06/96-03893-251DD4E4; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 02:58:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF2F14061 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:58:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help with Lojbanising English? Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:58:14 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <8bbb2854-9a94-4793-9b3a-65be6881a930@u28g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <61835479-d417-48a7-9c24-bdfe86ac8d4e@f7g2000vba.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <61835479-d417-48a7-9c24-bdfe86ac8d4e@f7g2000vba.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201108182258.15438.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 18 August 2011 22:39:40 Jed wrote: > I've never actually seen this done among borrowed words in any > language, but it might be more phonetically appropriate to say > "seamueiz" instead of "samueiz". It's the difference between "pan" as > an English word to refer to a cooking tool and "pan" as a Spanish/ > Japanese/Portugese word to refer to bread. Basically, "ea" might more > closely resemble the first "a" in "Samways." "ea" is not a Lojban diphthong, so "seam" is two syllables. Russian general= ly=20 transliterates English /=C3=A6/ as =D1=8D. Btw, the Portuguese word is "p=C3=A3o". It sounds like "pau" (which means s= tick)=20 except that it's nasalized. Pierre --=20 .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.