From lojban-beginners+bncCJLV_tPeERDMk97yBBoEhCJ2ew@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 26 04:56:09 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qwv13-0004lC-TD; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:56:08 -0700 Received: by ywa6 with SMTP id 6sf4976520ywa.16 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:55:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1GkcofjbIQcDgf0zUwRZGT3+i8J4LMzYcuUKGUpGYSw=; b=HGRtErSkZeObd/oILEe+uHVg4dRBY0BdotTBi1OTFD7lsmCUeMObXwRlRBulx4MFgv Rl52Q/DnPNu84tEGhNwlw4MsjHLKxzC45qnVtLL2RnTsS3ImHLOuQFrLY/ly2vOw/7eS aCyzu7HcU6qoG2QmjUIG8QKU0s+c7ea/iBIzU= Received: by 10.91.80.10 with SMTP id h10mr203194agl.28.1314359756295; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:55:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.116.9 with SMTP id o9ls6750768agc.3.gmail; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.77.131 with SMTP id d3mr4922861yhe.2.1314359754868; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.138.5 with SMTP id q5msybn; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:40:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.165.10 with SMTP id n10mr89215wfe.43.1314358834529; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:40:34 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/6.0,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <41f3563c-23b4-4c7b-96fc-8b5fcd11033a@z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Lojban "r" From: Viral Lamb To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: jms1992@comcast.net Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 While trying to get back into learning lojban, I came across something I thought was rather important. When saying the word "lerfu" (which means letter I think) I noticed that it sounds like I'm saying "leirfu" (even though that isn't a word xD ). I pronounce the letter "r" in lojban the same way I would in english, and I found that's the root of the problem. When pronouncing the "e" and "r" together, I can't help but say it like "leirfu". Using a "trilled r" such as in spanish or esperanto, the "e" sound doesn't turn into a "ei" sound. Is there any other way to pronounce the "r" in lojban, cuz I think I can trill my "r"s most of the time, but I'm certainly not perfect. Trying to say "hamstron" the way the guy in this video says it (1:15) is certainly a challenge, yet good for practice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INCr1bV8kGk Is this a big problem, or am I making too big a fuss? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.