From lojban-beginners+bncCOjSjrXVGBCJqt_yBBoEgTyhDQ@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 26 10:17:10 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qx01i-0006NQ-Nk; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:17:09 -0700 Received: by wwf4 with SMTP id 4sf6472139wwf.16 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:16:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Fycc26for/QFJPi2Eglwu1Ipv2Mdgtm8W1UFJmWZgu8=; b=3EP9lfbbtWyAOdvbx4yd6qeTQPDw3+GBsFv0kRyIzWzMfTjKVZ8+zr5Au8+I4gAR4m A5Rr0A6vj2KXajHDCFj2yMdrLEfSA/3oy7vnpDBd+NjCh8mVTP0Vtai+IgWH2A0CfJPJ DJimj+6CstnCoBUsXJ4A1NZvedjFOz5g9Pc64= Received: by 10.216.91.10 with SMTP id g10mr465047wef.21.1314379017031; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:16:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.207.136 with SMTP id n8ls5685302weo.0.gmail; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.132.156 with SMTP id o28mr120443wei.9.1314379016222; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.132.156 with SMTP id o28mr120442wei.9.1314379016194; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f43.google.com (mail-ww0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m17si3140891wbo.1.2011.08.26.10.16.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.43; Received: by mail-ww0-f43.google.com with SMTP id 32so3001555wwe.24 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.88.204 with SMTP id a54mr2296464wef.9.1314379015053; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:16:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.50.193 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:16:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <41f3563c-23b4-4c7b-96fc-8b5fcd11033a@z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com> From: Luke Bergen Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:16:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban "r" To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d63ff74ae31c04ab6bb626 --0016e6d63ff74ae31c04ab6bb626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is it? I thought the {er} in {lerfu} is supposed to be pronounced like english "air" (but with the r being trilled or tapped or whatever). I think if I heard someone in lojban say {lrfu} as though it rymed with "smurf-u" I would laugh my zargu off. It's just so english-y sounding. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > My point is that the "er" in "better" is pronounced comparably to the "er" > in "lerfu". > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > >> I pronounce it as {betr} or if I'm enunciating as {betyr} >> >> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> Do you pronounce the English word better as "betteir"? >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Viral Lamb wrote: >>> >>>> While trying to get back into learning lojban, I came across something >>>> I thought was rather important. When saying the word "lerfu" (which >>>> means letter I think) I noticed that it sounds like I'm saying >>>> "leirfu" (even though that isn't a word xD ). >>>> >>>> I pronounce the letter "r" in lojban the same way I would in english, >>>> and I found that's the root of the problem. When pronouncing the "e" >>>> and "r" together, I can't help but say it like "leirfu". Using a >>>> "trilled r" such as in spanish or esperanto, the "e" sound doesn't >>>> turn into a "ei" sound. >>>> >>>> Is there any other way to pronounce the "r" in lojban, cuz I think I >>>> can trill my "r"s most of the time, but I'm certainly not perfect. >>>> Trying to say "hamstron" the way the guy in this video says it (1:15) >>>> is certainly a challenge, yet good for practice. >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INCr1bV8kGk >>>> >>>> Is this a big problem, or am I making too big a fuss? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Alex R >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016e6d63ff74ae31c04ab6bb626 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it? =A0I thought the {er} in {lerfu} is supposed to be pronounced like e= nglish "air" (but with the r being trilled or tapped or whatever)= . =A0I think if I heard someone in lojban say {lrfu} as though it rymed wit= h "smurf-u" I would laugh my zargu off. =A0It's just so engli= sh-y sounding.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Jonathan Jo= nes <eyeonus@gmai= l.com> wrote:
My point is that the "er" in "better" is pronounced com= parably to the "er" in "lerfu".

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:57= AM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:
I pronounce it as {betr} or if I'm enunc= iating as {betyr}

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
Do you pron= ounce the English word better as "betteir"?

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Viral Lamb <jms1992@comcast.net> wrote:
While trying to g= et back into learning lojban, I came across something
I thought was rather important. When saying the word "lerfu" (whi= ch
means letter I think) I noticed that it sounds like I'm saying
"leirfu" (even though that isn't a word xD ).

I pronounce the letter "r" in lojban the same way I would in engl= ish,
and I found that's the root of the problem. When pronouncing the "= e"
and "r" together, I can't help but say it like "leirfu&q= uot;. Using a
"trilled r" such as in spanish or esperanto, the "e" so= und doesn't
turn into a "ei" sound.

Is there any other way to pronounce the "r" in lojban, cuz I thin= k I
can trill my "r"s most of the time, but I'm certainly not per= fect.
Trying to say "hamstron" the way the guy in this video says it (1= :15)
is certainly a challenge, yet good for practice. http://www.youtube.com/wat= ch?v=3DINCr1bV8kGk

Is this a big problem, or am I making too big a fuss?

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+un= subscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/g= roup/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.




--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmim= a lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot= Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+un= subscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/g= roup/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.



--
=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Alex R

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+un= subscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/g= roup/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.



--
mu'o mi= 'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.l= uk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. = :D )

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+un= subscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/g= roup/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.
--0016e6d63ff74ae31c04ab6bb626--