From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 31 03:46:53 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-es); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:46:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LHzXJ-0007ne-Kx for lojban-es-real@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:46:53 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.250]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LHzXE-0007mc-Sr for lojban-es@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:46:53 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so6014272rvf.46 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:46:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=oDgoQZtMQlpCfF2KgkYIEjSIt5qcX9ARbCt+x60W2MA=; b=T/jVFKll+wBQtvnHbAxzjoffWGKRJbssKoBdnM+og7cOr0caZ0NUKYDGfxBxYVS80r 6oX+PBoGCMFzFQVEG/aHFY/Z3N9j+d5NiOHAWl3u29hWGMLned+kRWy6z6TRYWS+2bS1 DgUza3BjpJkjABpkZHRiy078oz11gpd4vOd0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=MLoggBwL5adUj4lV9Wgwc4Fo6vHWu1MH4LVdC3g6sXp/QeT85n4RyN4ceI1MXRTqXu qzqio8x2OQqqPIJBn3gN9ADphfzqwuR1ffn5kraJT4Rcl9CGu5jdZha8OYbTZYVA9N/N k6rqSWAfJBhCKZHvfQU61Ku7vKMZUo5EPen8Y= Received: by 10.141.53.1 with SMTP id f1mr7798227rvk.4.1230724006410; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:46:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560812310346y60646923mb74b97ca911e8b13@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:46:46 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-es@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-es] Re: le terfrica be lo gismu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560812300343s422915f0v95e0a01d888ce85c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560812301025q682c5221sbf62f6181f874dd@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 238 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-es-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-es-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-es@lojban.org X-list: lojban-es On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Oscar Lazo w= rote: > > lo que no entiendo es la diferencia entre ellas. La > definici=F3n de "binxo" dice: > > [resultative, not-necessarily agentive, change]; (cf. cenba for > non-resultative, galfi for agentive, stika for non-resultative, non-agent= ive > change; zasni) > > pero no entiendo qu=E9 significa "resultative". binxo: x1 se transforma/convierte en x2 cenba: x1 cambia/var=EDa en propiedad x2 Lo que quieren decir con "resultative" es que binxo pone el resultado de la transformaci=F3n en x2, mientras que cenba pone la propiedad que cambia, no el resultado del cambio. (En realidad "resultative" se usa para otra cosa en ling=FC=EDstica, pero ac=E1 lo usaron con ese sentido.) mu'o mi'e xorxes