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 Content preview:  On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 02:49:27PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
    > Okay, pros and cons for moving such discussions to their own list (feel
    > free to add your own): > > Pros: > People who aren't interested in the
   discussions won't see them, because > they won't be subscribed to that list.
    > Newbies won't be discouraged from learning Lojban due to seeing long, >
    technical, abstruse discussions. > > Cons: > People who are interested in
    the discussions will need to subscribe to a > new list, and post those kind
    of topics exclusively on that list. > [...] 
 
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On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 02:49:27PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
>    Okay, pros and cons for moving such discussions to their own list (feel
>    free to add your own):
> 
>    Pros:
>    People who aren't interested in the discussions won't see them, because
>    they won't be subscribed to that list.
>    Newbies won't be discouraged from learning Lojban due to seeing long,
>    technical, abstruse discussions.
> 
>    Cons:
>    People who are interested in the discussions will need to subscribe to a
>    new list, and post those kind of topics exclusively on that list.
> 

Add to the con: it won't always be clear that a discussion that
starts on the main list will turn into a longer conversation that
should have been on this proposed list.

>    Based on just what I have above, we should have a "lojban-theory" list.
>    I'd make it myslef, but that would mean I'd be subscribed to it, and I'm
>    one of the uninterested people.
> 

Protip: You have to summarize the thread, not just restate your own
pro/con argument in a new format.

>    On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:01 PM, ianek <[1]janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>      Wow.
>      Pierre started a discussion about how discussions on this list go
>      long, obscure and lack conclussion.
>      And guess what?
>      That discussions momentarily grew long and obscure and I haven't seen
>      a conclussion.
>      Wow.
> 
>      mu'o mi'e ianek
>      On Sep 21, 6:15*am, Pierre Abbat <[2]p...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>      > On Tuesday 20 September 2011 18:28:53 Remo Dentato wrote:
>      >
>      > > {bu'u pa sasfoi lo bakni ku sisku lo srasu .i lo gerku ku go'i lo
>      > > ractu .i lo tcikonia ku go'i lo rebyrespa}
>      >
>      > I'd say "tupsince", since snakes and lizards are more closely related
>      to each
>      > other than to other extant reptiles, and other reptiles have tails. As
>      to
>      > tsikonia/tcikonia, I'd call them variants. vlatai rejects "tsiguenia",
>      but
>      > that's a bug.
>      >
>      > I understood all the Latin except "eodem". Usually I don't understand
>      enough
>      > words in a Latin sentence to make sense of it.
>      >
>      > Pierre
>      > --
>      > li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du
>      > li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci
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