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Clifford" X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 1_10068123_AHzHjkQAAGjATnpgaAHX5E8VTYY Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:03:07 -0400 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 72.30.238.201 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / And here we see why we need to show how are bunches connect with predicates= . Lo blabi gerku is a klesi at best collectively (and even that may be a ty= pe mistake) and is gerku only conjunctively. Lo klesi be lo gerku is conju= nctively klesi, not gerku. That aside, I agree that various quantifiers, d= escriptors or abstractors don't do much to solve problems about {lo} (thoug= h I don't think there are problems about {lo} per se). And {zo'e} must mea= n what I want it to mean or would want if I thought about. Sent from my iPad On Sep 21, 2011, at 18:08, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >>> da >>=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.