Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:40042) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R6a73-0003Ue-99; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:38:18 -0700 Received: by fxg17 with SMTP id 17sf2792135fxg.16 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:38:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=d5qKD8n4cXgoh6FT/05/QK/C9AoipdUHq1WDp8OnO58=; b=7BUkS0ftkynd/6WsHR0VWIFz3OFPyFD7q2rv3SHluTog/0JCYHV6tMfs+iRhY6CDpt duY4h6cDprHlOIw7jcSrc5lLswrzIZFNwg3NgA71TjbVP/eEyYWT5ZBzqH3qUyYiPLow yO1/Bqst2u4YtBBqhbr5P2QQpnfDPnB4R4R/Y= Received: by 10.223.63.7 with SMTP id z7mr571368fah.16.1316662684288; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:38:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.148.152 with SMTP id p24ls2950113bkv.0.gmail; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.130.69 with SMTP id r5mr370293bks.4.1316662683053; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.130.69 with SMTP id r5mr370292bks.4.1316662683024; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f49.google.com (mail-fx0-f49.google.com [209.85.161.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a4si1017630fad.3.2011.09.21.20.38.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.49; Received: by mail-fx0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 7so3336380fxg.22 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:38:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.88.23 with SMTP id y23mr521136fal.95.1316662626471; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.78.130 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:37:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1316657756.64564.YahooMailRC@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <90e6ba6e8ea2b4b5d104ad5c4012@google.com> <94BEFB7E-3B68-4F1A-BAE4-55232754DB45@yahoo.com> <1316552990.27459.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1316657756.64564.YahooMailRC@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 23:37:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Should we have another mailing list for abstruse discussions? From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd24a2623ce9304ad7f6893 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --000e0cd24a2623ce9304ad7f6893 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, but English is syntactic, as is Lojban, so it isn't as surprising. Latin is inflected, and yet we see termset-like structure in it as well, with the "sets" consisting of nouns of the same case when a new verb has no= t been introduced. It's interesting as a result. mu'o mi'e latros On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:15 PM, John E Clifford wro= te: > Hey, we do it in English, too, and in most other languages I know, though > not in toki pona. Notice that it is both more complicated and more preci= se > in Lojban. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ian Johnson > *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Wed, September 21, 2011 7:34:17 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Should we have another mailing list for abstruse > discussions? > > ...+1 to this, wow. As someone that knows both languages it's *really* > interesting how closely related those concepts are. > > mu'o mi'e latros > > 2011/9/20 Jorge Llamb=EDas > >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Jonathan Jones >> wrote: >> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Remo Dentato >> wrote: >> >> >> >> As Seneca said: >> >> >> >> "in eodem prato bos herbam quaerit, canis leporem, ciconia lacertam" >> > >> > "in the same meadow grass seeks an ox, a dog, hare, stork have lizards= " >> > >> > I think Google Translate failed me. >> >> Think termsets. >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --000e0cd24a2623ce9304ad7f6893 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, but English is syntactic, as is Lojban, so it isn't as surprising= . Latin is inflected, and yet we see termset-like structure in it as well, = with the "sets" consisting of nouns of the same case when a new v= erb has not been introduced. It's interesting as a result.

mu'o mi'e latros

On Wed, Sep = 21, 2011 at 10:15 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey, we do it in English, too, and in most other languages I k= now, though not in toki pona.=A0 Notice that it is both more complicated an= d more precise in Lojban.



From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.= com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.c= om
Sent: Wed, September 21, 2= 011 7:34:17 PM

S= ubject: Re: [lojban] Should we have another mailing list for abs= truse discussions?

...+1 to this, wow. As someone that knows both languages it's *really* = interesting how closely related those concepts are.

mu'o mi'= e latros

2011/9/20 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, Sep = 20, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com= > wrote:
>>
>> As Seneca said:
>>
>> "in eodem prato bos herbam quaerit, canis leporem, ciconia la= certam"
>
> "in the same meadow grass seeks an ox, a dog, hare, st= ork have lizards"
>
> I think Google Translate failed me.

Think termsets.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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