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Subject: [lojban] The Venus Project / Zeitgeist Movement & Lojban
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The Venus Project, started by Jacque Fresco, proposes a model for a
money-free global sustainable society based around the principles of
energy efficiency and scientific management of natural resources.
Advanced technology and automation will be its crucial aspect.
Human-machine communication will be an everyday activity for the
inhabitants.

The project has been popularized by Peter Joseph's film series,
Zeitgeist. Joseph stresses that education and critical thinking skills
are keys to the development of the resource-based economy that will be
the systemic core of the proposed society. It will be essential for
the people to have a clear grasp of what they need and what resources
are available when and where, to have the attitude to think
unambiguously about the demand and supply in their environment.

That is a controversial idea, and I do not intend to argue for its
feasibility here. Nonetheless, its philosophy seems to resonate with
Lojban's. Were it to succeed, how would the Lojban community be
involved? Will there be a need for a language like Lojban for the
purposes of human-machine communication, critical thinking, etc., or
will the advanced technology be enough to make the things easier for
the people?

More about the machine-led resource management:

http://www.thevenusproject.com/en/technology/city-systems

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
(from 1:30:00)

mu'o

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