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[66.94.237.222]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id t7si15241562ani.0.2011.09.24.09.34.18; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.222 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.237.222; Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2011 16:34:18 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.109] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2011 16:34:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2011 16:34:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 219072.94107.bm@omp1014.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 5412 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2011 16:34:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0nnC7f8VM1lqbu2nfoIv5yazYztUGSmDMLU6VV2xvCAb4gW oGEl6D1i6XfCa69siPLqeUChcWdooLU0IEjSUx1Z5MMlHWBTTZudg7WwNkRo SThPwxD_b8no8.k9Bg6v_c2OqsGSRCDOphV4E8HtdirhYk8kQYSfK62BzvVE TDr7W4quYs_Df_H4JaE24Dgx4tg2kcBP7.lnSvcNt_9dkddbh2iU78d53m5a P2_elIWLTNCQ1RnRbJGXSGSzeNxyvWxVn3o_v20RoybYKYRVnaVZo4QLrZYg wHw0Ud0BUFGWVfXetGLQ7jcRqZgawIj76z7gTCkenyhxjnasveVwwvYH81vI CR0ybDgvx3nshpeaVfYjH4G_wMNprQvJSRfsb1nsk_7PZfNIZzHbO0k0c8_b .4pVxFYb0w66fErAn32JDi0xEU9ql2_nDc5n3lu08nhEqc0jt4tuUbkBqWJG 8mRuea8nsL1zz05o5DpcxvlH2mM_nAuCCb83WkxueeFNwJiJgrtvaEEqfmvP 5pFEv_xZHDkuomqywhIovzR97Ej5MkAA- Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:34:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/574 YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <20110921011503.GS4310@gonzales> <20110922035512.GA23348@gonzales> <20110923004537.GC24443@gonzales> <20110923160953.GB18894@gonzales> <45B075D3-0863-4B8F-AF43-F53F37CA4B08@yahoo.com> <20110923185710.GC18894@gonzales> <1316807710.77980.YahooMailRC@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20110924010723.GD18894@gonzales> <1316869649.91651.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1316882057.96215.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:34:17 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.222 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / I'm just laying out positions, none of them works for every case, and most = fail=20 most tests. Hindu-Buddhist metaphysics is a complicated mess for a reason. ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llamb=EDas To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, September 24, 2011 11:27:30 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural= =20 variable On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:07 AM, John E Clifford wr= ote: > There is an > intermediate position (Dave Kaplan's? I think I got it from him or maybe= =20 Monty > Furth): that the individuals, even in the depository of entities, come wi= th=20 >some > characteristics (haeceity) but not others. Of course, what is in that=20 haeceity > is still to be resolved. So, I am human everywhere and probably introver= ted=20 >and > pessimistic, but the rest is up for grabs. But then how do you give a meaningful answer to "if you were an animal, what animal would you be?" mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. 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