Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]:41570) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R8Ipc-0000B1-Ja; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:35:21 -0700 Received: by yih13 with SMTP id 13sf7762080yih.16 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:35:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2bOfnZeI9tAw3rYXw7XsJUrjpxhB/F/5fiyi1sdbZBU=; b=n+H/+lJUXyQv+43Arg0Gvl5+ee3hQSp1Jy6JPIVP6dyINhBsdQC2pSZT5QuSnrbzS5 usWrYI30Q6CCSNJYm++2le4yIXhzGPV2sO5ptosMKw85K5NuJ306DA9JLA8WwtwtiLCe Meo3PIz7RPY32YoOoeqqw1uUxVqsrVZ369cTk= Received: by 10.236.180.70 with SMTP id i46mr5936356yhm.12.1317072912673; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:35:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.26.25 with SMTP id 25ls17563031anz.5.gmail; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.123.83 with SMTP id u59mr35462886yhh.4.1317072911734; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.105.31 with SMTP id d31msybc; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:29:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.23.16 with SMTP id a16mr1525993anj.3.1317072539978; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by t11g2000yqk.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:28:59 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0) AppleWebKit/535.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/14.0.835.186 Safari/535.1,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <3b5e0b1d-a58d-44ac-ae3f-a46ccdb2a8ed@t11g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] English From: John Smith To: lojban X-Original-Sender: thantophobia295@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / I don't know about lojban. I just don't know. I mean, what kind of language isn't even capitalized? An unimportant one, that's what, or at least that's what I learned in first grade. Important things are capitalized. I don't know a lot about this language, but I think it's kind of soulless. Oh, yeah, I know, you've heard it all before, but the thing Spock didn't realize was that being completely logical IS the best thing to do, IF you account for emotions. Marrying someone to find out about their species? That's about the least logical thing I've ever heard. You have to realize that there's more to things than just cold, hard logic. I think English is awesome. All the other languages make quite a bit of sense, but English, no, English is like the badass language. It doesn't conform to rules. It makes no sense at all. Like, for example, a while ago I discovered that an alternate spelling for "Medieval" is "Mediaeval." How awesome is that?!? Seriously, that's so cool, when you spell it like that, it seems like you're actually some mediaeval knight or something who spells things weird. Who cares about unambiguity? I love ambiguity. Ambiguity is great. And you know what else? It has to do with the feeling of "support" for words. Like, instead of saying old, say olde, or colour instead of color. The modern words are all "new" and "chic," but they don't have that supporting spurious letter to give them that English feel to them. It feels like the old words are heavy fortresses with spuriousness that makes it strong and firm, but the moderns say, "Hey! We don't NEED those letters. They're unnecessary. Let's get rid of 'em!" So now, the words no longer feel strong and firm; now they feel like they're hanging by a thread, supporting themselves, but barely. See what I did there?? I put a semicolon! I love semicolons! Whatever happened to semicolons? Also, whatever happened to starting questions with "whatever" instead of just "what?" Or putting end punctuation marks inside quotation marks even when it doesn't make sense (technically proper grammar, actually)? What fun is having no punctuation? No fun, that's what! Punctuation is awesome! Why would you want to get rid of it? One of the things I really don't like about lojban is that there are no capital letters! What is that? I love capital letters. And what's more, I'm sure that if they DID use capital letters, they would call them uppercase letters and abolish the word "capital!" How lame is that?! Haven't you ever said to someone, "Capital day, isn't it?" Sounds cool, don't it? In conclusion, I think lojban has its advantages and disadvantages, but really, do we really need it? We already have perfectly good languages. I think people do this for fun, thinking, "Ha! I've removed tiny problems from language. All the tiniest inconsistencies have been eliminated." I think the problem is that it's reductionist. That is all. P.S.: Whatever happened to "Yes! yes! yes!"? Is that cool or what? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.