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On Monday 26 September 2011 17:28:59 John Smith wrote:
> I don't know about lojban.  I just don't know.  I mean, what kind of
> language isn't even capitalized?  An unimportant one, that's what, or
> at least that's what I learned in first grade.  Important things are
> capitalized.

Hebrew and Arabic aren't capitalized; both have letters which take differen=
t=20
forms at the end of a word, which English doesn't. Arabic is important enou=
gh=20
that much of Lojban vocabulary is derived from it, usually mixed with the=
=20
other source languages. Georgian (kartuli, not what they speak in Atlanta)=
=20
used to be capitalized, but the modern script is monocase.

> I think English is awesome.  All the other languages make quite a bit
> of sense, but English, no, English is like the badass language.  It
> doesn't conform to rules.  It makes no sense at all.  Like, for
> example, a while ago I discovered that an alternate spelling for
> "Medieval" is "Mediaeval."  How awesome is that?!?  Seriously, that's
> so cool, when you spell it like that, it seems like you're actually
> some mediaeval knight or something who spells things weird.

In Spanish, words ending in "-ma" of Greek origin are usually masculine. Th=
e=20
Greek words are neuter, and neuter usually merged with masculine (in some=
=20
words, like "folium", the plural was interpreted as a feminine singular).=
=20
Exceptions and apparent exceptions are:
la paloma (dove) - not Greek
la broma - Greek means "food" but the Spanish meaning is totally different
la coma (punctuation), el coma (unconsciousness) - both from Greek neuters
la diadema (diadem) - Greek is neuter and means the same, so I have no idea=
=20
why!

Spanish spelling has been more stable than French, though they both have=20
academies, which English does not. There are ways of writing French words=
=20
that look mediaeval, such as "fresne" (modern "fr=EAne"). The spelling "fre=
sne"=20
is archaic, but the name "Dufr=EAne" is still commonly spelled "Dufresne", =
as=20
the name "Ashe" in English still has the final e.

Lojban has less than a century of history. Don't expect medi=E6vialitye fro=
m it.=20
It does, though, have lots of words with more than one equivalent form, e.g=
.:
citrai=3Dci'onrai=3Dcitytraji=3D3 others
fiprgado=3Dfinprgado
There are also at least two words with variants: one is "trixexo/trixexu", =
and=20
I forget what the other is.

Pierre
--=20
The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain.

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