Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:41847) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R8Lo8-000374-QI; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:46:07 -0700 Received: by wyh11 with SMTP id 11sf10081222wyh.16 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:45:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Rk749PqCvj5jyQomDqWDQua5DT+5IsmXO0LBva8vLag=; b=DtaIZDXfwy7o70jfaiurMDNCNREq/YTmsuu7cfF3bY1nZIcbMCyt2x0zLFXE3ZEr1t dnbq65KxitLlle/JOBzrSm6KeMqRbN/sTefySuTWOqwDOZX4FfpKfS3S+6SoW2Ys7EHy m9UOZO5mR02FoJtJb4PBVOMj4ZJKJSSFT8YKI= Received: by 10.216.221.140 with SMTP id r12mr56010wep.19.1317084350707; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:45:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.13.202 with SMTP id b50ls776768eeb.4.canary; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.17.139 with SMTP id s11mr1212928eba.7.1317084349379; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.17.139 with SMTP id s11mr1212926eba.7.1317084349342; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f49.google.com (mail-fx0-f49.google.com [209.85.161.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11si140568fag.1.2011.09.26.17.45.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.49; Received: by fxg7 with SMTP id 7so9228531fxg.22 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:45:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.76.201 with SMTP id d9mr11345684fak.119.1317084349112; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.41.68 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:45:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3b5e0b1d-a58d-44ac-ae3f-a46ccdb2a8ed@t11g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> References: <3b5e0b1d-a58d-44ac-ae3f-a46ccdb2a8ed@t11g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:45:49 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] English From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747bdbac4a2da04ade19856 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --00151747bdbac4a2da04ade19856 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you don't like it, don't learn it. We're not trying to push our viewpoint on you, don't try to push yours onto us. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:28 PM, John Smith wrote: > I don't know about lojban. I just don't know. I mean, what kind of > language isn't even capitalized? An unimportant one, that's what, or > at least that's what I learned in first grade. Important things are > capitalized. > > I don't know a lot about this language, but I think it's kind of > soulless. Oh, yeah, I know, you've heard it all before, but the thing > Spock didn't realize was that being completely logical IS the best > thing to do, IF you account for emotions. Marrying someone to find > out about their species? That's about the least logical thing I've > ever heard. You have to realize that there's more to things than just > cold, hard logic. > > I think English is awesome. All the other languages make quite a bit > of sense, but English, no, English is like the badass language. It > doesn't conform to rules. It makes no sense at all. Like, for > example, a while ago I discovered that an alternate spelling for > "Medieval" is "Mediaeval." How awesome is that?!? Seriously, that's > so cool, when you spell it like that, it seems like you're actually > some mediaeval knight or something who spells things weird. > > Who cares about unambiguity? I love ambiguity. Ambiguity is great. > > And you know what else? It has to do with the feeling of "support" > for words. Like, instead of saying old, say olde, or colour instead > of color. The modern words are all "new" and "chic," but they don't > have that supporting spurious letter to give them that English feel to > them. It feels like the old words are heavy fortresses with > spuriousness that makes it strong and firm, but the moderns say, > "Hey! We don't NEED those letters. They're unnecessary. Let's get > rid of 'em!" So now, the words no longer feel strong and firm; now > they feel like they're hanging by a thread, supporting themselves, but > barely. > > See what I did there?? I put a semicolon! I love semicolons! > Whatever happened to semicolons? Also, whatever happened to starting > questions with "whatever" instead of just "what?" Or putting end > punctuation marks inside quotation marks even when it doesn't make > sense (technically proper grammar, actually)? What fun is having no > punctuation? No fun, that's what! Punctuation is awesome! Why would > you want to get rid of it? > > One of the things I really don't like about lojban is that there are > no capital letters! What is that? I love capital letters. And > what's more, I'm sure that if they DID use capital letters, they would > call them uppercase letters and abolish the word "capital!" How lame > is that?! Haven't you ever said to someone, "Capital day, isn't it?" > Sounds cool, don't it? > > In conclusion, I think lojban has its advantages and disadvantages, > but really, do we really need it? We already have perfectly good > languages. I think people do this for fun, thinking, "Ha! I've > removed tiny problems from language. All the tiniest inconsistencies > have been eliminated." I think the problem is that it's > reductionist. That is all. > > P.S.: Whatever happened to "Yes! yes! yes!"? Is that cool or what? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00151747bdbac4a2da04ade19856 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you don't like it, don't learn it. We're not trying to push = our viewpoint on you, don't try to push yours onto us.

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:28 PM, John Smith <thantophobia295@gmail= .com> wrote:
I don't know about lojban. =A0I just do= n't know. =A0I mean, what kind of
language isn't even capitalized? =A0An unimportant one, that's what= , or
at least that's what I learned in first grade. =A0Important things are<= br> capitalized.

I don't know a lot about this language, but I think it's kind of soulless. =A0Oh, yeah, I know, you've heard it all before, but the thin= g
Spock didn't realize was that being completely logical IS the best
thing to do, IF you account for emotions. =A0Marrying someone to find
out about their species? =A0That's about the least logical thing I'= ve
ever heard. =A0You have to realize that there's more to things than jus= t
cold, hard logic.

I think English is awesome. =A0All the other languages make quite a bit
of sense, but English, no, English is like the badass language. =A0It
doesn't conform to rules. =A0It makes no sense at all. =A0Like, for
example, a while ago I discovered that an alternate spelling for
"Medieval" is "Mediaeval." =A0How awesome is that?!? = =A0Seriously, that's
so cool, when you spell it like that, it seems like you're actually
some mediaeval knight or something who spells things weird.

Who cares about unambiguity? =A0I love ambiguity. =A0Ambiguity is great.
And you know what else? =A0It has to do with the feeling of "support&q= uot;
for words. =A0Like, instead of saying old, say olde, or colour instead
of color. =A0The modern words are all "new" and "chic,"= but they don't
have that supporting spurious letter to give them that English feel to
them. =A0It feels like the old words are heavy fortresses with
spuriousness that makes it strong and firm, but the moderns say,
"Hey! =A0We don't NEED those letters. =A0They're unnecessary. = =A0Let's get
rid of 'em!" =A0So now, the words no longer feel strong and firm; = now
they feel like they're hanging by a thread, supporting themselves, but<= br> barely.

See what I did there?? =A0I put a semicolon! =A0I love semicolons!
Whatever happened to semicolons? =A0Also, whatever happened to starting
questions with "whatever" instead of just "what?" =A0Or= putting end
punctuation marks inside quotation marks even when it doesn't make
sense (technically proper grammar, actually)? =A0What fun is having no
punctuation? =A0No fun, that's what! =A0Punctuation is awesome! =A0Why = would
you want to get rid of it?

One of the things I really don't like about lojban is that there are no capital letters! =A0What is that? =A0I love capital letters. =A0And
what's more, I'm sure that if they DID use capital letters, they wo= uld
call them uppercase letters and abolish the word "capital!" =A0Ho= w lame
is that?! =A0Haven't you ever said to someone, "Capital day, isn&#= 39;t it?"
Sounds cool, don't it?

In conclusion, I think lojban has its advantages and disadvantages,
but really, do we really need it? =A0We already have perfectly good
languages. =A0I think people do this for fun, thinking, "Ha! =A0I'= ve
removed tiny problems from language. =A0All the tiniest inconsistencies
have been eliminated." =A0I think the problem is that it's
reductionist. =A0That is all.

P.S.: =A0Whatever happened to "Yes! yes! yes!"? =A0Is that cool o= r what?

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