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Clifford" X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 1_10139296_AHrHjkQAAS2JToE8+QojuUBIxWk Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:26:26 -0400 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.212.164 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Those little (temporal)chunks of individuals that xorxes seems to think are= needed somehow or that he thinks are analogous to manifestation in the Pla= tonic model. And he is right, of course, in that both of them are abstract= ions from individuals, which, so far, are all that have been shown to be ne= eded. Sent from my iPad On Sep 26, 2011, at 22:59, Martin Bays wrote: > * Monday, 2011-09-26 at 19:33 -0700 - John E Clifford : >=20 >> While I think that it is possible to make both the Platonic (all >> types, no individuals) and Buddhist (all segments, no perduring >> individuals) models work, they both seem to me needlessly complex as >> models for Lojban (or English) semantics. Both languages assume >> perduring individuals and admit (if at all) types as syntheses of >> individuals and and segments as analyses. >=20 > Could you explain what you mean by 'segment' here? >=20 > Martin --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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