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doi escape, so you are saying that there is a special sort of ambiguity
(lexical ?), that natural languages have, and that Lojban lacks ?
my understanding is that, with any language (with a reasonable level of
sophistication), if you want to make yourself clear about something in
particular, you'll eventually get there provided you work at it enough (i.e=
.
you give enough explanations). The idea with artificial languages, is that
you can get to just that "right" amount of information in some easier,
better way.
the reverse, I think, is also true: if with any language you can eventually
say exactly what you want, then probably you can also conceal, or be vague
about exactly what you want. It is also about giving just that right amount
of info, and not a bit more. So it seems to me you can be pretty efficient
at ambiguity with Lojban as well... I would even venture *any* kind of
ambig=FCity.

david

2011/9/27 Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com>

> I was meaning that in semiotics, it is considered you have a
> syntactic, a semantic, and a pragmatic level.
>
> You can have ambiguity in all of these.
>
> Incidentally, syntax is itself connected to lexical matters and
> morphology, and these are connected to phonology (some theories mix
> them in a whole), so you could also find amibguities in those.
>
> The example you gave is anaphoric ambiguity.    Sure Lojban has
> anaphoric ambiguity, its logical-predicate-structure allows it.    Yet
> I tend to think a *lexical* ambiguity would be more rarely produced,
> -- if ever.
>
> --esc
>
>

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doi escape, so you are saying that there is a special sort of ambiguity (le=
xical ?), that natural languages have, and that Lojban lacks ?<br>my unders=
tanding is that, with any language (with a reasonable level of sophisticati=
on), if you want to make yourself clear about something in particular, you&=
#39;ll eventually get there provided you work at it enough (i.e. you give e=
nough explanations). The idea with artificial languages, is that you can ge=
t to just that &quot;right&quot; amount of information in some easier, bett=
er way.<br>
the reverse, I think, is also true: if with any language you can eventually=
 say exactly what you want, then probably you can also conceal, or be vague=
 about exactly what you want. It is also about giving just that right amoun=
t of info, and not a bit more. So it seems to me you can be pretty efficien=
t at ambiguity with Lojban as well... I would even venture <i>any</i> kind =
of ambig=FCity.<br>
=A0<br>david <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/9/27 Escape Landsome <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:escaaape@gmail.com">escaaape@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt=
 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1e=
x;">
I was meaning that in semiotics, it is considered you have a<br>
syntactic, a semantic, and a pragmatic level.<br>
<br>
You can have ambiguity in all of these.<br>
<br>
Incidentally, syntax is itself connected to lexical matters and<br>
morphology, and these are connected to phonology (some theories mix<br>
them in a whole), so you could also find amibguities in those.<br>
<br>
The example you gave is anaphoric ambiguity. =A0 =A0Sure Lojban has<br>
anaphoric ambiguity, its logical-predicate-structure allows it. =A0 =A0Yet<=
br>
I tend to think a *lexical* ambiguity would be more rarely produced,<br>
-- if ever.<br>
<br>
--esc<br>
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