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See also Kevin reid's reply. Ambiguity is discrete (e.g. quantifier scope
ambiguities). Vagueness is continuous. (this is in terminology as used in
linguistics.) Vagueness is inescapable and often desirable. Lojban is not
ambiguous, and that is once of its chief attractions, since the range of
occasions when we actually want time-flies-like-an-arrow or
someone-loves-everyone ambiguity (e.g. poetry) is much smaller than the
range of occasions when we want to avoid it.

On 27 Sep 2011 10:31, "Robin Lee Powell" <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
wrote:

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:26:23AM +0200, Escape Landsome wrote:
>
> Unless we are all Misters Spoc...
Of course, and Lojban uses it *all the time*.

Where did you get this bizarre idea that Lojban is free of semantic
ambiguity?

-Robin


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<p>See also Kevin reid&#39;s reply. Ambiguity is discrete (e.g. quantifier =
scope ambiguities). Vagueness is continuous. (this is in terminology as use=
d in linguistics.) Vagueness is inescapable and often desirable. Lojban is =
not ambiguous, and that is once of its chief attractions, since the range o=
f occasions when we actually want time-flies-like-an-arrow or someone-loves=
-everyone ambiguity (e.g. poetry) is much smaller than the range of occasio=
ns when we want to avoid it.<br>

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<p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On 27 Sep 2011 10:31, &quot;Robin Lee Powell&q=
uot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org">rlpowell@digitalkin=
gdom.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br><p><font color=3D"#500050">On Tue, Sep 27, 2=
011 at 11:26:23AM +0200, Escape Landsome wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>&gt; Unless we are all Misters Spoc...</font></p>Of course, and Lo=
jban uses it *all the time*.<br>
<br>
Where did you get this bizarre idea that Lojban is free of semantic<br>
ambiguity?<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
-Robin<br>
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