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 Content preview:  I guess we need definitions again. I would say that a construction
    that does not distinguish between a verb + subject and a verb +object is
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I guess we need definitions again.  I would say that a construction that do=
es not distinguish between a verb + subject  and a verb +object is ambiguou=
s, not vague, and tanrus do occasionally fall into that problem, along with=
 other, more arguable cases.

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On Sep 27, 2011, at 14:45, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tanru aren't ambiguous; they're merely vague. When instances of genuine a=
mbiguity have been found, there's been consensus among the logical language=
 lojbanists (as opposed to Usage Decides lojbanists) that there needs to be=
 an interpretation rule that gets rid of it.
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>> On 27 Sep 2011 18:46, "John E. Clifford" <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Remember that Lojban claims to be ambiguity- free in only two respects: =
every Lojban utterance can be uniquely decomposed into words, whose syntact=
ic type is fixed, and every sentence that passes the official grammar has o=
nly one parse tree.   This not a trivial claim, since most languages, inclu=
ding much simpler conlangs, do not have either of these properties. But whe=
n we move on to semantics, this is not enough to guarantee unique readings.=
  Lojban is clear on transformation involving conjunction relations between=
 two or more sentences with common elements, but not so much on deep struct=
ure below the sentence level.  In particular, tanru are opaque, ambiguous, =
 though other, less common, structure are as well.
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 11:20, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:
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<html><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>I guess we need definitions again. &nb=
sp;I would say that a construction that does not distinguish between a verb=
 + subject &nbsp;and a verb +object is ambiguous, not vague, and tanrus do =
occasionally fall into that problem, along with other, more arguable cases.=
</div><div><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Sep 27, 2011, at 14:45, A=
nd Rosta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:and.rosta@gmail.com">and.rosta@gmail.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><p>Tanru=
 aren't ambiguous; they're merely vague. When instances of genuine ambiguit=
y have been found, there's been consensus among the logical language lojban=
ists (as opposed to Usage Decides lojbanists) that there needs to be an int=
erpretation rule that gets rid of it.</p>

<p></p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On 27 Sep 2011 18:46, "John E. Clifford" &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.com"><a href=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yah=
oo.com">kali9putra@yahoo.com</a></a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>Remember that Lojban=
 claims to be ambiguity- free in only two respects: every Lojban utterance =
can be uniquely decomposed into words, whose syntactic type is fixed, and e=
very sentence that passes the official grammar has only one parse tree. &nb=
sp; This not a trivial claim, since most languages, including much simpler =
conlangs, do not have either of these properties. But when we move on to se=
mantics, this is not enough to guarantee unique readings. &nbsp;Lojban is c=
lear on transformation involving conjunction relations between two or more =
sentences with common elements, but not so much on deep structure below the=
 sentence level. &nbsp;In particular, tanru are opaque, ambiguous, &nbsp;th=
ough other, less common, structure are as well.<br>

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<p><font color=3D"#500050"><br>On Sep 27, 2011, at 11:20, And Rosta &lt;<a =
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