Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:40046) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R8zdg-0002Dv-Ms; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:17:57 -0700 Received: by yxj17 with SMTP id 17sf11427693yxj.16 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:17:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:subject:from:to:user-agent :mime-version:x-priority:importance:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=w2aqBUR6W5gypbII+KqMChlzltDd7UY/nE/PgsjskY8=; b=JMIYRLxQ8SYMx1Bop/0SHzUr600fluDdu/uG1Z28q9zCj+8zi7MCI1jcBKifHxqpdP H8xpZPgRuYlhUZ2+YZr2H9nj2Ydh4QPnGSjSH0/YbxIiX9we/EOuZI5p1w3fg2etNi4f DODzsfRz/kVGEvuvxx0nYc07Af9pjzGeRWX7E= Received: by 10.236.174.7 with SMTP id w7mr8073659yhl.8.1317237463943; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:17:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.246.1 with SMTP id t1ls4338662agh.7.gmail; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.157.34 with SMTP id n22mr388110yhk.6.1317237462604; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.157.34 with SMTP id n22mr388109yhk.6.1317237462593; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from questmail.futurequest.net (questmail.futurequest.net. [69.5.6.251]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h45si8099730yhe.6.2011.09.28.12.17.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.5.6.251 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojban707@fagricipni.com) client-ip=69.5.6.251; Received: (qmail 13407 invoked by uid 12318); 28 Sep 2011 19:17:41 -0000 Received: from 67.58.190.131 (SquirrelMail authenticated user lojban707@fagricipni.com) by QuestMail.FutureQuest.net with HTTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 15:17:41 -0400 Message-ID: <4473a36a9fee6daa569ed43987bab77b.squirrel@QuestMail.FutureQuest.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 15:17:41 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: English From: "fagricipni" To: "Lojban Group" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Original-Sender: lojban707@fagricipni.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.5.6.251 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojban707@fagricipni.com) smtp.mail=lojban707@fagricipni.com; domainkeys=pass header.From=lojban707@fagricipni.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / To the one who thought English is the best thing in the world: Can you give me a dynamic equivalent translation in to English of a question that I often want to ask (though with different first sumti) to English-speakers? pau la kres. mo do If I ask "Who is Chris?", I get an identity when what I am asking for is a relationship; ie, friend, friend's child, child's friend, friend of friend (note that "child" here is to be interpreted as immediate descendant, not any non-adult). However, asking the question "How is Chris related to you?", I get the answer "He is not" because I am being mis-interpreted as asking about a _familial_ relationship. So you got any bright ideas for that?; this is most decidedly a case where the ambiguity of English is something I want to _avoid_. BTW, I am open to suggestions from anyone regarding the problem I have discussed; I am just particularly being pointedly critical of the poster I referred to in the first sentence. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.