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[75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l6si1600067vdt.0.2011.09.29.18.18.58; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=F07b8ZsgLWZXGX8D4wUqVhnmZNKPLwOf2MHA3we2PYM= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=oiugiQRoqWcA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=XKG5rW7LEXlHajxJq8AA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:46515] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D6/BB-14490-DF8158E4; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 01:18:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA15517938 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Consonant Clusters? Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:18:48 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <22ec527299a8715f691115b142266f2d.squirrel@QuestMail.FutureQuest.net> In-Reply-To: <22ec527299a8715f691115b142266f2d.squirrel@QuestMail.FutureQuest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201109292118.49675.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / The phonotactic rules in CLL are neither completely consistent nor complete= ly=20 clear. xorxes and I, who have both done significant work on the problem,=20 disagree in various details. For the start of a fu'ivla, I accept any cluster such that all pairs are=20 initially permissible, including arbitrarily long sequences of "st". xorxes= =20 has a list of three letter sequences. I don't remember them all, but I=20 know "jgl" is one (jglandi=3Dwalnut). Within a fu'ivla, xorxes accepts anything that can be broken into syllables= ,=20 whatever he allows for syllables, and doesn't contain forbidden substrings= =20 such as "mz" or "ntc". He accepts "fasxolarto" but not "fasxolarkto". This= =20 puts him at odds with nitcion, who prefers "fasxolarkto", as it's obvious t= o=20 him from that spelling that it's a mammal (koala to be precise), not a bake= d=20 good. I originally wrote "fasxolarto", thinking that "rkt" cannot occur in = a=20 fu'ivla. I accept cmevla like "mkparks", where all consonant pairs are valid but not= =20 initially valid, but I don't think I've figured out how long they can get.= =20 I'm not sure what xorxes accepts. Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.