Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:37022) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R9SbE-0004NJ-5N; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:13:23 -0700 Received: by fxg17 with SMTP id 17sf3104279fxg.16 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:13:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rAv/NHCVlA3a/AbqmwanTlcrJ26L9coA1kKw6HdCiWE=; b=YmHM7fTSu19ZTIIcAwPT294pQbNOCgRNgFecaoQZWIV9BvEheLAbZDQRpkaTwqZmqB dWwgZ7uxlJtKiOzZlGUMmulBHNlGuTq3vNeFR2nFfxY1sixKtjEQs4qZksGY+1+QduRc k7b/wX+lOz2NAVX5pA+asi+J5rf93FSp/VVNo= Received: by 10.223.42.23 with SMTP id q23mr4448103fae.11.1317348786134; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:13:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.155.134 with SMTP id s6ls1836623bkw.3.gmail; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.4.219 with SMTP id 27mr442318bks.16.1317348784880; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.4.219 with SMTP id 27mr442317bks.16.1317348784866; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f43.google.com (mail-fx0-f43.google.com [209.85.161.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a4si1521816fad.3.2011.09.29.19.13.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.43; Received: by fxh19 with SMTP id 19so4124137fxh.16 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:13:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.95.148 with SMTP id d20mr6585431fan.59.1317348784733; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.39.35 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:13:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201109292118.49675.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <22ec527299a8715f691115b142266f2d.squirrel@QuestMail.FutureQuest.net> <201109292118.49675.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:13:04 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Consonant Clusters? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > For the start of a fu'ivla, I accept any cluster such that all pairs are > initially permissible, including arbitrarily long sequences of "st". xorx= es > has a list of three letter sequences. I don't remember them all, but I > know "jgl" is one (jglandi=3Dwalnut). It's easy: they are all the same three consonant sequences that you accept, except those that contain tc, ts, dj, dz. They all happen to fall in the pattern: [s, c, z, j] [p, b, t, d, k, g, f, v, x, m, n] [l, r] one letter from each group, as long as all the adjacent pairs are allowed initially. =CFn fact "x" and "n" cannot take part in any three consonant initial cluster. they are included in the pattern just for completeness, so that the two letter clusters (except for the four affricates) are also covered. > I accept cmevla like "mkparks", where all consonant pairs are valid but n= ot > initially valid, but I don't think I've figured out how long they can get= . > I'm not sure what xorxes accepts. At this point, basically what CLL says, anything at all without impermissible medials. But I avoid names that are not formed out of normal syllables, so I distinguish two kind of cmevla. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.