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No, just bad typing.   I am sure that is not your only question about this 
discussion; I sure have many.





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From: Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thu, October 6, 2011 8:24:59 AM
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On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:23 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

[1] Sincei have doubts about what {zo'e} means, I'm not sure what {mii na klama 
zo'e} means, but I suppose it must be either "I do not go there", where "there" 
is some place obvious from context (the value of the Skolem function for the 
argument mi) or "I don't go anywhere", if it's a particular quantified variable, 
certainly not you second choice.
 
  With my usual habit of injecting mibzdi nu xajmi into long abstruse threads, I 
will just ask the following question about your first sentence:  zo sincei zo'u 
se mupli fu'e xu la lyrens.oLIvieis .a la'acu'i ke la melPOmenis .a la talaiys 
fu'o
 
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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">No, just bad typing.&nbsp;&nbsp; I am sure that is not your on=
ly question about this discussion; I sure have many.<br><div><br></div><div=
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t"><br><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;fo=
nt-size:12pt"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><hr size=3D"1"><b><span styl=
e=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Michael Turniansky &lt;mturniansk=
y@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> loj=
ban@googlegroups.com<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span><=
/b> Thu, October 6, 2011 8:24:59 AM<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;=
">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quan=
tified plural variable<br></font><br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:23 PM, John E. Cliffo=
rd <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:kali9putra@y=
ahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.com">kali9putra=
@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote">[1] Sincei have doubts about what {z=
o'e} means, I'm not sure what {mii na klama zo'e} means, but I suppose it m=
ust be either "I do not go there", where "there" is some place obvious from=
 context (the value of the Skolem function for the argument mi) or "I don't=
 go anywhere", if it's a particular quantified variable, certainly not you =
second choice.</blockquote>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; With my usual habit of injecting mibzdi nu xajmi into long abst=
ruse threads, I will just ask the following question about your first sente=
nce:&nbsp; zo sincei zo'u se mupli fu'e xu la lyrens.oLIvieis .a la'acu'i k=
e&nbsp;la melPOmenis .a la talaiys fu'o</div>

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