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  Nope.  Can't understand it well enough to formulate a question.  I'll let
you and Martin and Jorge sort it out, and then let Jorge explain it language
I can understand (whether or not I will agree with it).  As physicist Ernest
Rutherford once said: "A theory that you can't explain to a bartender is
probably no damn good."  Consider me your bartender.
                --gejyspa



On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:04 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>wrote:

>  No, just bad typing.   I am sure that is not your only question about
> this discussion; I sure have many.
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
> *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Thu, October 6, 2011 8:24:59 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified
> plural variable
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:23 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> [1] Sincei have doubts about what {zo'e} means, I'm not sure what {mii na
>> klama zo'e} means, but I suppose it must be either "I do not go there",
>> where "there" is some place obvious from context (the value of the Skolem
>> function for the argument mi) or "I don't go anywhere", if it's a particular
>> quantified variable, certainly not you second choice.
>
>
>   With my usual habit of injecting mibzdi nu xajmi into long abstruse
> threads, I will just ask the following question about your first sentence:
> zo sincei zo'u se mupli fu'e xu la lyrens.oLIvieis .a la'acu'i ke la
> melPOmenis .a la talaiys fu'o
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=A0 Nope.=A0 Can&#39;t understand it well enough to f=
ormulate a question.=A0 I&#39;ll let you and Martin and Jorge sort it out, =
and then let Jorge explain it language I can understand (whether or not I w=
ill agree with it).=A0 As p<span class=3D"postbody">hysicist Ernest Rutherf=
ord once said: &quot;A theory that you can&#39;t explain to a bartender is =
probably no damn good.&quot;=A0 Consider me your bartender.</span></div>

<div><span class=3D"postbody">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
 --gejyspa</span></div>
<div><span class=3D"postbody"></span><br><br>=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:04 PM, John E Clifford=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.com">kali9putra@y=
ahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SI=
ZE: 12pt">No, just bad typing.=A0=A0 I am sure that is not your only questi=
on about this discussion; I sure have many.<br>
<div><br></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SI=
ZE: 12pt"><br>
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ZE: 12pt"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma">
<hr size=3D"1">
<b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Michael Turniansky &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">lojban@googlegroup=
s.com</a><br>
<b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Thu, October 6, 2011 =
8:24:59 AM=20
<div class=3D"im"><br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span><=
/b> Re: [lojban] {zo&#39;e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural =
variable<br></div></font><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:23 PM, John E. Cliffo=
rd <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.com" rel=3D"nof=
ollow" target=3D"_blank">kali9putra@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">[1] Sincei have doubts about wha=
t {zo&#39;e} means, I&#39;m not sure what {mii na klama zo&#39;e} means, bu=
t I suppose it must be either &quot;I do not go there&quot;, where &quot;th=
ere&quot; is some place obvious from context (the value of the Skolem funct=
ion for the argument mi) or &quot;I don&#39;t go anywhere&quot;, if it&#39;=
s a particular quantified variable, certainly not you second choice.</block=
quote>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0 With my usual habit of injecting mibzdi nu xajmi into long abstrus=
e threads, I will just ask the following question about your first sentence=
:=A0 zo sincei zo&#39;u se mupli fu&#39;e xu la lyrens.oLIvieis .a la&#39;a=
cu&#39;i ke=A0la melPOmenis .a la talaiys fu&#39;o</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa</div></div>=
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