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John E. Clifford, On 09/10/2011 23:09:
> Clearly having {zi'o} as a value for {zo'e} would
> just make a bad situation even worse,

Yes, as I said.

> as would {zi'o} as a value for an unfilled space.

No -- this is clearly not clearly so, since you are replying to a message i=
n which I say zi'o for unfilled place would be a good thing.

It's a good thing in the current circumstances, which are circumstances in =
which there are quite a lot of places that one would want to zi'o off most =
of the time, and no strong convention of using overt zi'o when the speaker'=
s intention is such that zi'o is appropriate and zo'e isn't. I think speake=
rs generally do mean "zo'e or zi'o" when a place is left unfilled.

If more comprehensive reforms were possible, it would be better to just abo=
lish every gismu place that one might reasonably often want to zi'o. Then t=
he virtues of having covert zi'o in empty places would evaporate.

--And.

> On Oct 9, 2011, at 16:08, And Rosta<and.rosta@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> IMO the best rule would be for empty places to be fillable by zi'o or by=
 zo'e, but not for zi'o to be a possible value of zo'e. Disambiguation coul=
d be effected by using an overt zi'o or zo'e. Allowing zi'o as a value of z=
o'e would permit undisambiguable ambiguity -- of course a very bad thing. T=
he advantage of letting empty places be fillable by covert zi'o is that it =
would overcome the problem of superfluous gismu places that usage tends to =
forget about.

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