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 Content preview:  Does someone have a ready description to hand of what features
    we have/want in jbovlaste that aren't available in extra-community work like
    Shapado? Stated another way, what *technical* barriers exist to using a tool
    maintained outside this community to store and interact with a Lojban dictionary
    (, glosser, and flashcard program)? [...] 
 
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Does someone have a ready description to hand of what features we
have/want in jbovlaste that aren't available in extra-community work
like Shapado?

Stated another way, what *technical* barriers exist to using a tool
maintained outside this community to store and interact with a
Lojban dictionary (, glosser, and flashcard program)?

-Alan

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 08:44:26AM -0700, Muhammad Nael wrote:
>    Shapado looks almost perfect! I'll use it more now that I've free time to
>    work on Lojban and I'll a lot to ask.
>    ---
> 
>      A place where you can ask a question about the Shannon entropy of a
> 
>        *language*, a concept that regularily generates scholarly research
> 
>          papers, without generating a discussion?  I would very much hope
> 
>            that no such place exists; that would be a sad and boring place.
> 
>    I'm sure it would be. On the other hand, I started this topic, and I'd
>    very much appreciate if I wasn't the one to maintain it if such a
>    discussion begins... I'd rather a real scientist (or as close to that) to
>    have his/her name on the topic. And I'm no scientist.
>    Also, I just realized that however fluent you (not thee) might be in
>    Lojban, it'll need people a bit more used to it to do Shannon entropy...
>    Have a great day!
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