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* Saturday, 2011-10-15 at 12:16 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.=
com>:

> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 7:39 AM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Martin Bays, On 13/10/2011 05:33:
> >
> >> (For nastier a example, consider the apparently classic {ro te cange p=
oi
> >> ponse lo xasli cu darxi ri}... although I'd be happy simply considering
> >> this to be meaningless)
> > Do you mean the Lojban is meaningless, because of the inadequacy of the
> > rules for identifying and interpreting the antecedent of {ri} (in which=
 case
> > I'm sure you're right)?
> I would say the Lojban is meaningful and (roughly) equivalent to
> "every farmer who is a donkey-owner is a donkey-beater".

i.e. equivalent to {ro te cange poi ponse lo xasli cu darxi lo xasli}?

Would you similarly say that {mi cpacu lo plise gi'e ba bo citka ri} is
equivalent to {mi cpacu lo plise gi'e ba bo citka lo plise}, and that
any deduction that the same apples are involved is an informal pragmatic
one?

Generally that {zo'e noi broda ku'o ri} =3D=3D {zo'e noi broda ku'o zo'e noi
broda}?

Such a rule applied universally would make handling anaphora much easier
(though admittedly only by pushing more under the rug of pragmatics).

It still leaves super-donkey sentences like {su'o da poi te cange cu
ponse lo xasli noi da darxi .i ri se kecti mi}, where simply copying the
{lo} with its relative clause to the second sentence would give an
unbound {da}. Assigning no meaning to such expressions seems reasonable.

(Although of course simply adding {je} or {bo} after the {i} would give
a meaningful expression, which in this case would have something close
to the intended meaning)

> [snip]

> =3D ro te cange cu darxi ro xasli poi ri ponse ke'a

Nice.

Martin

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