Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:47799) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RF9T3-0002Uy-5z; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:00:30 -0700 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf3393458bka.16 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:00:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Eei9pxDSPdXG1JAUjGOMlUb6nIyOXUSG88ZXxipzP7g=; b=ZbkXyHOcgi3v3/wjtFAd1WxL12HsTnsC5q6DHJKD4jps6KMhR4YUYE1APwskgU5N3a e7UiSsaZBBZNpyq/q+YmF6+uooRYlhsN7xasM6WBBlIW0bFTbu75aJeiCspaum822C+2 McIv+hakHFGHzx8qhwaw5vT5L11bkOrbnDieI= Received: by 10.223.62.77 with SMTP id w13mr28082fah.9.1318705210808; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:00:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.240.17 with SMTP id ky17ls615490bkb.3.gmail; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.138.79 with SMTP id z15mr1459182bkt.8.1318705209348; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.138.79 with SMTP id z15mr1459181bkt.8.1318705209316; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f49.google.com (mail-bw0-f49.google.com [209.85.214.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a16si2048961bku.3.2011.10.15.12.00.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.49; Received: by bkbc12 with SMTP id c12so6018725bkb.22 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:00:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.15.147 with SMTP id k19mr12613667faa.26.1318705209075; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.24.38 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:00:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20111015171342.GQ29295@sunflowerriver.org> References: <21901165.712.1318343884555.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqmn40> <20111011204150.GJ30294@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <25008727.890.1318431452883.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbds1> <28292530.575.1318605393862.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbza28> <20111015065525.GC16603@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <19551811.3018.1318666724641.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbat14> <6841919.647.1318669686432.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbmh5> <20111015160357.GO29295@sunflowerriver.org> <30920969.1288.1318696814482.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbak12> <20111015171342.GQ29295@sunflowerriver.org> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:00:08 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Mass import into jbovlaste ? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174736728ce75704af5afb8d X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --0015174736728ce75704af5afb8d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 While I disagree with najrut, I have to say that I really don't think it matters. I think I know Robin well enough to know it's not going to happen. Robin hasn't even promised to upload the words. All he's said is basically, when he has the time, he might do it. Doing anything beyond merely uploading them, any kind of special handling, would require even more time and effort. Messing with jbovlaste in any way is very low on Robin's priority list, especially considering his desire for jbovlaste 2.0 to be created to replace it. Conclusion: Robin might, /might/, at some time in the future upload all the ISO words to jbovlaste. But nothing more. But more likely, najrut will have to put them on there himself if he wants them there this year. As to the words themselves, my reason for not wanting them is because when it comes to all or nothing situations, I prefer nothing. The conversation that spawned those two huge lists was about the cultural gismu, and the fact that some cultures had a gismu, whereas others did not, and that this was an example of Lojban /not/ being culturally neutral. It was decided that the only way to be culturally neutral was either for all cultures to have there own words, which resulted in a huge list of words based on ISO codes of counrties and languages, or for none to have their own word, which resulted in the creation of this list: banra'a klura'a cemra'a jdara'a selgu'era'a tutra'a For example, {lu lo glibau to mintu la'oi English toi banra'a la'oi U.K. li'u mintu lu lo glibau cu brito lo bangu li'u .e zoi gy. English is the language of the U.K. .gy}. Personally, I would much rather remember 6 words that can be used for /any/ cultural reference, than a huge slew of words that can each only be used for one. On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 11:13 AM, .alyn.post. < alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 09:40:14AM -0700, najrut wrote: > > Also if you vote up one word from that list all the others should be > voted > > up automatically. They are all equal. None of them is better than any > > other. > > > > I need to request again that you preserve the threading of e-mail > messages when you reply to them. It is not clear at all to me > which message you reply to, when I read only your reply. I cannot > tell what this e-mail is in reply to. > > Will you include the message you are replying to in your reply? I > will not be able to continue a conversation with you if I am > confused by the ordering of your messages. > > -Alan > -- > .i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0015174736728ce75704af5afb8d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While I disagree with najrut, I have to say that I really don't think i= t matters. I think I know Robin well enough to know it's not going to h= appen.

Robin hasn't even promised to upload the words. All he= 9;s said is basically, when he has the time, he might do it.

Doing anything beyond merely uploading them, any kind of special handli= ng, would require even more time and effort.

Messing with jbovlaste = in any way is very low on Robin's priority list, especially considering= his desire for jbovlaste 2.0 to be created to replace it.

Conclusion: Robin might, /might/, at some time in the future upload all= the ISO words to jbovlaste. But nothing more. But more likely, najrut will= have to put them on there himself if he wants them there this year.




As to the words themselves, my reason for not wanting them = is because when it comes to all or nothing situations, I prefer nothing. Th= e conversation that spawned those two huge lists was about the cultural gis= mu, and the fact that some cultures had a gismu, whereas others did not, an= d that this was an example of Lojban /not/ being culturally neutral. It was= decided that the only way to be culturally neutral was either for all cult= ures to have there own words, which resulted in a huge list of words based = on ISO codes of counrties and languages, or for none to have their own word= , which resulted in the creation of this list:

banra'a
klura'a
cemra'a
jd= ara'a
selgu'era'a
tutra'a

For example, {lu lo gli= bau to mintu la'oi English toi banra'a la'oi U.K. li'u mint= u lu lo glibau cu brito lo bangu li'u .e zoi gy. English is the languag= e of the U.K. .gy}.

Personally, I would much rather remember 6 words that can be used for /= any/ cultural reference, than a huge slew of words that can each only be us= ed for one.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 11:13 AM, .alyn.post= . <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 09:40:14AM -0700, najrut wrote:
> =A0 =A0Also if you vote up one word from that list all the others shou= ld be voted
> =A0 =A0up automatically. They are all equal. None of them is better th= an any
> =A0 =A0other.
>

I need to request again that you preserve the threading of e-mail
messages when you reply to them. =A0It is not clear at all to me
which message you reply to, when I read only your reply. =A0I cannot
tell what this e-mail is in reply to.

Will you include the message you are replying to in your reply? =A0I
will not be able to continue a conversation with you if I am
confused by the ordering of your messages.

-Alan
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