By the way, I'd like to address that point.=A0 If one culture is obj= ectively more influential on the average universe of discourse, why should = it not have it's own gismu even if other cultures do not.=A0 Apple is a= common enough thing that we have a gismu for it.=A0 Kumquat is obscure or = not often referenced enough such that we say "make a lujvo/fu'ivla= for it".=A0 This is not lojban being "biased" towards apple= s or against kumquats.=A0 It is lojban accurately reflecting the needs of i= ts users.=A0 And if you're a kumquat lover or Nigerian and are offended= , I appologize.

On Oct 15, 2011 3:00 PM, "Jonathan Jones&qu= ot; <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrot= e:

While I disagree with najrut, I have to say that I really don't think i= t matters. I think I know Robin well enough to know it's not going to h= appen.

Robin hasn't even promised to upload the words. All he= 9;s said is basically, when he has the time, he might do it.

Doing anything beyond merely uploading them, any kind of special handli= ng, would require even more time and effort.

Messing with jbovlaste = in any way is very low on Robin's priority list, especially considering= his desire for jbovlaste 2.0 to be created to replace it.

Conclusion: Robin might, /might/, at some time in the future upload all= the ISO words to jbovlaste. But nothing more. But more likely, najrut will= have to put them on there himself if he wants them there this year.

As to the words themselves, my reason for not wanting them = is because when it comes to all or nothing situations, I prefer nothing. Th= e conversation that spawned those two huge lists was about the cultural gis= mu, and the fact that some cultures had a gismu, whereas others did not, an= d that this was an example of Lojban /not/ being culturally neutral. It was= decided that the only way to be culturally neutral was either for all cult= ures to have there own words, which resulted in a huge list of words based = on ISO codes of counrties and languages, or for none to have their own word= , which resulted in the creation of this list:

banra'a
klura'a
cemra'a
jd= ara'a
selgu'era'a
tutra'a

For example, {lu lo gli= bau to mintu la'oi English toi banra'a la'oi U.K. li'u mint= u lu lo glibau cu brito lo bangu li'u .e zoi gy. English is the languag= e of the U.K. .gy}.

Personally, I would much rather remember 6 words that can be used for /= any/ cultural reference, than a huge slew of words that can each only be us= ed for one.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 11:13 AM, .alyn.post= . <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 09:40:14AM -0700, najrut wrote:
> =A0 =A0Also if you vote up one word from that list all the others shou= ld be voted
> =A0 =A0up automatically. They are all equal. None of them is better th= an any
> =A0 =A0other.
>

I need to request again that you preserve the threading of e-mail
messages when you reply to them. =A0It is not clear at all to me
which message you reply to, when I read only your reply. =A0I cannot
tell what this e-mail is in reply to.

Will you include the message you are replying to in your reply? =A0I
will not be able to continue a conversation with you if I am
confused by the ordering of your messages.

-Alan

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