Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:58518) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RFAuC-0003NS-6B; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:32:33 -0700 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf3442857bka.16 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:32:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=dkoRmoKlxMu9Nn4QBNLOrlLUjYBzsJ6O9XFBt4hpZoQ=; b=L4X2EhCCodr1UmHstitO4xsnoInUJDhAwQZ6ZpW6tgMvuDsNad6XNj95pkCX7oSQOE vte8j9328xi4vQacVskTPLdaYGXk4boUry7EAToyheB1tuiXxjgGLt9Xah0u3HPz1eeQ NBSdaC1OfarA4AUOEBS82OFpTd0YxBUHDxACI= Received: by 10.223.62.77 with SMTP id w13mr72893fah.9.1318710737609; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:32:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.146.137 with SMTP id h9ls172417bkv.1.gmail; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.7.214 with SMTP id e22mr1167840bke.2.1318710736292; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.7.214 with SMTP id e22mr1167839bke.2.1318710736277; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f51.google.com (mail-bw0-f51.google.com [209.85.214.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v13si2086871bkf.0.2011.10.15.13.32.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.51; Received: by mail-bw0-f51.google.com with SMTP id zs8so2589918bkb.10 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:32:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.85.134 with SMTP id o6mr12776685fal.8.1318710736065; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.39.35 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:32:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20111015200404.GB3090@gonzales> References: <1318202744.44997.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111013043308.GD3367@gonzales> <4E981179.1030805@gmail.com> <20111014225934.GC3111@gonzales> <4E98D899.7080608@gmail.com> <20111015200404.GB3090@gonzales> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:32:15 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > > Well, liking dogs is quite different from liking Fido, and also > different from liking almost all dogs, and from there being a high > probability that you would (come to) like a randomly chosen dog you were > presented with, and from anything else which reduces to talking about > individual dogs. I do think that it would be reasonable to use {nelci} > for this concept, but that it should be expressed by {nelci lo ka gerku} > rather than {nelci lo gerku}. The drawback of that approach is that you cannot combine predications that "resolve" differently. You can't say for example "I like lions, but they are destroying my garden", not as "mi nelci lo ka cinfo .i ku'i ri daspo lo mi purdi" anyway, because presumably you don't mean to say that a property is destroying your garden. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.