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Jorge Llamb=EDas, On 15/10/2011 16:16:
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 7:39 AM, And Rosta<and.rosta@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> The proposition intended by donkey sentences is easy
>> to grasp, and pretty commonplace, but hard to formulate in ordinary logi=
c; a
>> logical language should find a way to render the proposition into logic =
and
>> express it succinctly.
>
> Would you agree that "ro te cange cu darxi ro xasli poi ri ponse ke'a"
> captures that proposition, even though it doesn't respect the original
> structure?

Yes.

> Because the structure is so different, this may not work as
> a general solution to the problem.

The commonest case where covert donkey sentences occur is with conditionals=
: "If you give me money, I'll spend it on drugs" =3D "Every possible circum=
stance in which there is money that you give me is a circumstance in which =
there is money that you give me and I spend on drugs". I don't think your s=
olution works for that. Applying your solution gives (I think) "Every circu=
mstance is such that in it I spend all money that you give me", which has t=
he wrong meaning. Crucially, the conditionals rely on restricted quantifica=
tion (over circumstances in which such and such is the case).

So well done with the reformulation of the classic donkey sentence, but now=
 turn your ingenuity to "Every possible circumstance in which there is mone=
y that you give me is a circumstance in which there is money that you give =
me and I spend on drugs".

--And.


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