Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:35610) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RFZOe-0005L4-Vv; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:42:01 -0700 Received: by gyh4 with SMTP id 4sf4594908gyh.16 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:41:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=rmsmkpSTyWpRrju07r35KkcYwXZTEhvsq8cpC8Ys0PU=; b=HsJT7yIJU2/1kFQA46cW6W6jfaFfnfI3xMLJDjy/17ruUQr0ZKHcVXSD6mwD1/Utsd W5vUzLoR4EB5mkQOaFFlZA/Q9ZnLzNsAqarplFL4teVb0OuyCQjRFC4ojxB2M3HVzWaz Rn9AmosGz9LT3ZvGIA5Od77PwCMRaAfiCV5DM= Received: by 10.150.213.13 with SMTP id l13mr1440999ybg.16.1318804883830; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:41:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.211.37 with SMTP id n37ls6060116anq.3.gmail; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.33.10 with SMTP id g10mr3711108ang.53.1318804883073; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.33.10 with SMTP id g10mr3711107ang.53.1318804883047; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f1si3043380yba.3.2011.10.16.15.41.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.172; Received: by mail-gx0-f172.google.com with SMTP id v1so616971ggn.3 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:41:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.182.233 with SMTP id o69mr23513516yhm.60.1318804882937; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.95.44 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.95.44 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:41:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20111016222320.GD21114@gonzales> References: <20111015155009.GA5916@gonzales> <20111015185726.GC3779@gonzales> <20111015203444.GD3779@gonzales> <20111015221511.GF3779@gonzales> <20111015232240.GG3779@gonzales> <20111016222320.GD21114@gonzales> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:41:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30563eef9358d204af7230ac X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf30563eef9358d204af7230ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What's wrong with that? The rose is a red thing. The red thing is a rose. I don't see what the problem is On Oct 16, 2011 6:23 PM, "Martin Bays" wrote: > * Saturday, 2011-10-15 at 19:22 -0400 - Martin Bays : > > > So am I taking "{lo} -> {zo'e noi}" too literally? > > Actually, what do you make of this argument for not taking it too > literally: > > {lo rozgu cu xunre} > == {zo'e noi rozgu cu xunre} > == {zo'e rozgu gi'e xunre} > == {zo'e xunre gi'e rozgu} > == {zo'e noi xunre cu rozgu} > == {lo xunre cu rozgu} > > Martin > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf30563eef9358d204af7230ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What's wrong with that?=A0 The rose is a red thing.=A0 The red thing= is a rose.=A0 I don't see what the problem is

On Oct 16, 2011 6:23 PM, "Martin Bays"= <mbays@sdf.org> wrote:
* Saturday, 2011-10-15 at 19:22 -0400 - Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org>:

> So am I taking "{lo} -> {zo'e noi}" too literally?
Actually, what do you make of this argument for not taking it too
literally:

{lo rozgu cu xunre}
=A0 =A0=3D=3D {zo'e noi rozgu cu xunre}
=A0 =A0=3D=3D {zo'e rozgu gi'e xunre}
=A0 =A0=3D=3D {zo'e xunre gi'e rozgu}
=A0 =A0=3D=3D {zo'e noi xunre cu rozgu}
=A0 =A0=3D=3D {lo xunre cu rozgu}

Martin

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