Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:50509) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RFaUV-0005fY-QU; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:51:43 -0700 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf4405237bka.16 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:51:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nybjsgCmaUvcHaErv8RlK0W/1U8UJj3TDP9WcDVkISI=; b=V2N0/O83EoraJ6KuNFUcXUWKgyjEEWVe4iVkfFxza+SBA+L3RzOeu071szk9RrFmff a7GjzNqPg6/wLGh0YFegr0uDriWHnp0AlF19Kb12bm//9vwqdxwf0O/jva6yA66V2oLI nlPIxfrJdEfoxlN18yYbSWTkNa9TIVDH3FKOE= Received: by 10.223.63.10 with SMTP id z10mr2449338fah.11.1318809089109; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:51:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.240.17 with SMTP id ky17ls1222581bkb.3.gmail; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.144.135 with SMTP id z7mr366230bku.1.1318808988319; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.144.135 with SMTP id z7mr366228bku.1.1318808988284; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f42.google.com (mail-bw0-f42.google.com [209.85.214.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p10si2717387bkq.2.2011.10.16.16.49.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.42; Received: by mail-bw0-f42.google.com with SMTP id zv15so11373537bkb.1 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.77.71 with SMTP id f7mr20567877fak.33.1318808988086; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.39.35 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:49:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20111015232957.GH3779@gonzales> References: <1318202744.44997.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111013043308.GD3367@gonzales> <4E981179.1030805@gmail.com> <20111014225934.GC3111@gonzales> <4E98D899.7080608@gmail.com> <20111015200404.GB3090@gonzales> <20111015232957.GH3779@gonzales> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:49:47 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Martin Bays wrote: >> >> The drawback of that approach is that you cannot combine predications >> that "resolve" differently. [...] > In any case, this drawback seems a rather small one to me. It's impotant though. For example, compare: (1) ca lo prulamnicte mi tavla su'o da poi do nelci ke'a "Last night I talked to someone you like." (2) ca lo prulamnicte mi citka su'o da poi do nelci ke'a "Last night I ate something you like." You want to accept (1) but reject (2), even though to me they have the exact same logical structure. You would need to say something like "ca lo prulamnicte mi citka su'o da poi ckaji su'o de poi do nelci ke'a" instead of (2). Or consider: (3) mi zukte lo se zukte be do "I'm doing what you are doing." You have to say: "mi zukte lo ckaji be lo se ckaji be lo se zukte be do." mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.