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[66.94.237.216]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id e44si1630262yhk.0.2011.10.16.19.25.54; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.216 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.237.216; Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 02:25:54 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.122] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 02:25:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 02:25:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 744635.11862.bm@omp1027.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16767 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2011 02:25:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: w9g8LUYVM1m5.0G_WBiWMxcO_FN0wkVgG005Y0DpkEcTdEy 3HxOQt5zp0koCHBtKDrx2JZJzhUfgV4vLc6E_.bZwabHbQsquaivD_r7.mOB ElT8_wqS199H71obkP9GXVhlXeGI5K7OVkTf33PmZjPYfAMSRO.aOTTNvu8. ERSA3tHrTb527bWqcV8HRe_YETO9xchnmrM3YsK7etiT.dm8FkattScVwU3o _WihATI5.wAMbApGzFrXb17BZjS.D_M5.ECOJWxow5A.kDP9LxlVbilBequ8 IirYcqoCcXGD0nnBiE2btZxSyC7SPJdyEmWL48IYUnRs9EExPCnHjHheBvLu AWWF0Sb56rgyrwn6wfye8sNUKbPKUpphO8D25Coy_Ah9jVaiBBelz329uTTb 8UQoAx6K3HR8jweDkgCxB.BEYmJNjbVkUjQ_1FFSPisY2ewO4gChp6BYz6VA lnCBM5Q8sbKWVzdYaEtzWid1xjrhM9HLDXxSEA2PwEUh7TTrJU1Pywx3FqT4 r5KYssOkMJk6KEpp.9NOG2mM- Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:25:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/574 YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318202744.44997.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111013043308.GD3367@gonzales> <4E981179.1030805@gmail.com> <20111014225934.GC3111@gonzales> <4E98D899.7080608@gmail.com> <20111015200404.GB3090@gonzales> <20111015232957.GH3779@gonzales> Message-ID: <1318818354.16457.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.216 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / I know I have not followed where this is wandering, but why would MB have= =20 trouble with 2 or 3 and have to go off in the way you suggest (and what dfo= es=20 this have to do with {zo'e} or even {lo))? ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llamb=EDas To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, October 16, 2011 6:49:47 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural= =20 variable On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Martin Bays wrote: >> >> The drawback of that approach is that you cannot combine predications >> that "resolve" differently. [...] > In any case, this drawback seems a rather small one to me. It's impotant though. For example, compare: (1) ca lo prulamnicte mi tavla su'o da poi do nelci ke'a "Last night I talked to someone you like." (2) ca lo prulamnicte mi citka su'o da poi do nelci ke'a "Last night I ate something you like." You want to accept (1) but reject (2), even though to me they have the exact same logical structure. You would need to say something like "ca lo prulamnicte mi citka su'o da poi ckaji su'o de poi do nelci ke'a" instead of (2). Or consider: (3) mi zukte lo se zukte be do "I'm doing what you are doing." You have to say: "mi zukte lo ckaji be lo se ckaji be lo se zukte be do." mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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