Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:33821) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RFd1s-0006NP-Bv; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:34:24 -0700 Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4sf2514715pzk.16 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:34:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-pgp-key :x-pgp-keyid:x-cunselcu'a-valsi:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=sFA8b5j+YeOXoJ0ZAW0Z01F2ULwwL4F8WQ7YDPcYFgI=; b=KdDetNTdkz0rd5u6BAN9nYVMCxRrowCuQoXujLAQnaGlCaOr72vVpa5+VQh+pY+uri AOqavKqEGFV2bGmjiVzWKya43mWuh9DPS2N9ayiSonlBXWTRsegW1vjyrVk1PPzK4q4g +kYjmjAWATehaRggAzjfH4EJwMJpykADMy3TM= Received: by 10.68.9.103 with SMTP id y7mr3500245pba.7.1318818847580; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:34:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.42.101 with SMTP id n5ls17192819pbl.6.gmail; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.33.161 with SMTP id s1mr23427198pbi.2.1318818846977; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.33.161 with SMTP id s1mr23427197pbi.2.1318818846966; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org. [192.94.73.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l3si12969213pbd.0.2011.10.16.19.34.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.94.73.19; Received: from gonzales.homelinux.org (root@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9H2Y6dw016527 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 02:34:06 GMT Received: from martin by gonzales.homelinux.org with local (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1RFd1i-0000gx-3N for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:34:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:34:06 -0400 From: Martin Bays To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable Message-ID: <20111017023406.GG21114@gonzales> References: <20111015185726.GC3779@gonzales> <20111015203444.GD3779@gonzales> <20111015221511.GF3779@gonzales> <20111015232240.GG3779@gonzales> <20111016005823.GJ3779@gonzales> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uc35eWnScqDcQrv5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://mbays.freeshell.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-KeyId: B5FB2CD6 X-cunselcu'a-valsi: linsi User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: mbays@sdf.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mbays@sdf.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --uc35eWnScqDcQrv5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Sunday, 2011-10-16 at 21:00 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > > * Saturday, 2011-10-15 at 20:52 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=EDas : > >> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > >> > > >> > Quite. If it does do anything, there's also the issue of which gets > >> > priority in {ro lo broda poi brode}. > [snip] > we still have a way to differentiate both possibilities, at least for > the "lo broda ku" type of sumti (not for "ko'a"), because there are > three different points where a relative clause may be attached: "lo > (1) broda (2) ku (3)". We could say that when attahed at (2) the > restriction occurs before singular quantification over referents, and > that when attached at (3) it occurs as a restriction on the singular > quantifier. Excellent point. (1) and (2) are still part of the "LE sumti-tail" construction. --uc35eWnScqDcQrv5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6blB4ACgkQULC7OLX7LNY1CACg5qTfWVzmXjy1MrWoIVROnNkI iN0AoOrecekvWtsbuAz++KP5upKrttiQ =O5S9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uc35eWnScqDcQrv5--