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[66.94.236.25]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id u30si3703817yhu.7.2011.10.16.19.36.43; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.25 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.236.25; Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 02:36:43 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.109] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 02:36:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 02:36:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 567477.85517.bm@omp1014.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 22621 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2011 02:36:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fN0mGD4VM1lIo8Q6l4tB6osoHfUkBCyY.n86qHKF0wFEesZ XEcn3GhlHfC9Uyg4QV6cR8aDNZzHsQAgQJauWJo9nmHQGQ.qkOx.3xUKevMd .m3v.1zOVKn.Qcl2twQ2vOg_v43bIaGnQNCKs_oqBFNdWVUxeMGTnl9cQdJT ZbrsfbqNLL3lhuA1GDZ7uGAsSYc4_DXyUwD9fjd.j.xyaB6fVUlj_gd4nbJ1 AxBcttkEBBC5_iN5zXu.m1M8KpCqUNL8lZon7PIGe5DJ4Ol11OfVcKGOnl7u uUX85OPot57Sgg5GLyQK4Cdm0wyxlCSorBW6KICNH0mBESFp4FdOhsUeerbs 6s6BfSKs4Rk7XimHKC9QpQbqgMolqc7tvngCRjBaOlTOG_CulNyl.aouRDE_ nN5Vpd_T0PbsmmZfWUluDnS2TbatziWLA0tgXsmijVRhvNWOU0Pz_WT3dE5B qpBdqASrdfDw52cqvIuu0CZxDuY0dgsdjyyj2llOCz4z9HBV.Qc79OmzPodz H7W.3av16JUTzpyxmCfJcNvctlC5U0VHQgx7IyWwc Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:36:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/574 YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318202744.44997.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111013043308.GD3367@gonzales> <4E981179.1030805@gmail.com> <20111015155009.GA5916@gonzales> <20111015185726.GC3779@gonzales> <20111015203444.GD3779@gonzales> <20111015221511.GF3779@gonzales> <1318730637.60588.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1318819003.3911.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:36:43 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.25 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / In that case, the binding carries over to the new use; that's what "anaphor= a"=20 means. (Sometimes I do wish that less time had been spent on making Lojban= =20 "speakable" and more on keeping it "logical"). ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llamb=EDas To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, October 16, 2011 7:08:02 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural= =20 variable On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 11:03 PM, John E Clifford wr= ote: > Whence these unbound variables y'all keep talking about. Every variable= =20 >without > an explicit quantifier in Lojban has an implicit {su'o}. You can't make > sentences with unbound variables. We were not discussing a full sentence. We were discussing the sub-expression "lo xasli noi da darxi" within the full expression "su'o da poi te cange cu ponse lo xasli noi da darxi". In the sub-expression in question (which was a candidate antecedent for "ri"), "da" is unbound, which makes the sub-expression an inadequate antecedent for a "ri" that is outside the scope of the binding quantifier. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at=20 http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.