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[192.94.73.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id lf12si18073296pbb.2.2011.10.16.20.51.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.94.73.19; Received: from gonzales.homelinux.org (root@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9H3pmfO006818 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 03:51:49 GMT Received: from martin by gonzales.homelinux.org with local (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1RFeEu-0003Kx-Ha for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:51:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:51:48 -0400 From: Martin Bays To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable Message-ID: <20111017035148.GA25291@gonzales> References: <20111013043308.GD3367@gonzales> <4E981179.1030805@gmail.com> <20111014225934.GC3111@gonzales> <4E98D899.7080608@gmail.com> <20111015200404.GB3090@gonzales> <20111015232957.GH3779@gonzales> <20111017015603.GF21114@gonzales> <1318820956.53263.YahooMailRC@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1318820956.53263.YahooMailRC@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-PGP-Key: http://mbays.freeshell.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-KeyId: B5FB2CD6 X-cunselcu'a-valsi: zbani User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: mbays@sdf.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mbays@sdf.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Sunday, 2011-10-16 at 20:09 -0700 - John E Clifford : > Ahah! "I ate disjunctively of something you like generally" or some such. Something along those lines, yes. The context here is that we're trying to see what happens if we throw kinds out of the window (and also disjunctive predication, in whatever sense it was there), and try to make do with normal things - including properties, which I hope can replace pure-kind predications of the "I like lions" kind (think of it as "I like lionness").=20 Martin > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Martin Bays > To: lojban@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sun, October 16, 2011 8:56:03 PM > Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plur= al=20 > variable >=20 > * Sunday, 2011-10-16 at 20:49 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=EDas : >=20 > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > > >> The drawback of that approach is that you cannot combine predications > > >> that "resolve" differently. > > [...] > > > In any case, this drawback seems a rather small one to me. > >=20 > > It's impotant though. For example, compare: > >=20 > > (1) ca lo prulamnicte mi tavla su'o da poi do nelci ke'a > > "Last night I talked to someone you like." > >=20 > > (2) ca lo prulamnicte mi citka su'o da poi do nelci ke'a > > "Last night I ate something you like." > >=20 > > You want to accept (1) but reject (2), even though to me they have the > > exact same logical structure. --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6bplQACgkQULC7OLX7LNakDgCfVaTIdt0KO0UHNG3lmjypyD9z qSYAn0LYx91fMcj73U4Mf3VluLENrXDi =sanv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v--