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* Sunday, 2011-10-16 at 23:45 -0400 - Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org>:

> * Sunday, 2011-10-16 at 23:14 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.=
com>:
> > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wrote:
> > > * Sunday, 2011-10-16 at 20:49 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gm=
ail.com>:
> > >> Or consider:
> > >>
> > >> (3) mi zukte lo se zukte be do
> > >> "I'm doing what you are doing."
> > >>
> > >> You have to say: "mi zukte lo ckaji be lo se ckaji be lo se zukte be=
 do."
> > >
> > > To copy the kinds approach, yes. It could be abbreviated to
> > > {da se ckaji lo se zukte be mi .e do}, of course.
> >=20
> > I think you will need "da se ckaji lo se zukte be mi be'o .e lo se zukt=
e be do"
> >=20
> > "lo se zukte be mi .e do" is "zo'e noi ke'a se zukte mi .e do", and
> > presumably there's no such thing in your universe.
>=20
> Right again. Make that {da zo'u mi .e do zukte lo ckaji be da}.
>=20
> With {lu'a} as above, it could be just {lu'a da mi .e do se zukte}
> (although then there's even less to indicate the intended value of da).

(and I didn't mean that either; I meant {da zo'u mi .e do zukte su'o
lu'a da})

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