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Martin Bays, On 18/10/2011 04:31:
> * Monday, 2011-10-17 at 01:40 +0100 - And Rosta<and.rosta@gmail.com>:
>>> (i) with this definition, {loi} is very close to Chierchia's version of
>>> the iota operator, which is his explanation of "the": when applied to
>>> a predicate in a domain, it gives the maximal plurality in the domain
>>> which satisfies the predicate if there is a unique such (as there is
>>> with a distributive predicate like a noun). For this to coexist with
>>> normal quantification, the domain should be some glorked subdomain of
>>> the full domain.
>>
>> Why some glorked subdomain, rather than just the full domain?
>
> Having it with the full domain would essentially replicate the
> functionality of {pi ro broda}.

Is there consensus on what fractional quantifiers should mean? I find it hard to think of an valid argument for piro being distinct from ro.
  
>>> So maybe {loi} should actually be defined like that. {loi cinfo} means
>>> precisely the same thing as "the lions".
>>
>> I think "the lions" would mean {lei cinfo}, actually, but that's
>> a point about English, and doesn't contradict your underlying point.
>
> Just making a veridiciality distinction? Or specificity too?

I don't know how sclerotic my thinking is, but I'm thinking "the lions" is {lo co'e voi cinfo} (or maybe also your {loi co'e voi cinfo}) and "le broda" is "lo co'e voi broda" (and "lei broda" "lei co'e voi broda").
  
--And.

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