Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:39766) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RGNhI-00047G-6m; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:24:14 -0700 Received: by gyh4 with SMTP id 4sf2122453gyh.16 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:24:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4VaBPo190CaHMpoJrbtvBMiZfbeEOqvH+pRIHSH8z8k=; b=Ami5z0vjYIR92ZohBn8LlZ68qVQF7Q/AzXqNfmV590bY425RwR0qN0qPn4wzTT0lAl Bz6C2ylH7/QyeMNNDMlbkvsNrYcHFv7Alvk42Yo8n11JOA9yyJjjo/dazPxf+i2BxGdZ vTCWpc2mlgpNSJL58NGO8jIr2JYjqlD2BBlAs= Received: by 10.150.67.7 with SMTP id p7mr1361660yba.8.1318998239153; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:23:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.110.18 with SMTP id i18ls4200174ybc.4.gmail; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.170.198 with SMTP id p46mr2895395yhl.8.1318998238511; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.170.198 with SMTP id p46mr2895394yhl.8.1318998238498; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f179.google.com (mail-yx0-f179.google.com [209.85.213.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t39si3523467ybt.1.2011.10.18.21.23.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.179; Received: by mail-yx0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 13so1391272yxi.24 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.76.136 with SMTP id b8mr7708654yhe.9.1318998238388; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:23:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.95.44 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:23:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201110190014.14668.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <1318202744.44997.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111018033124.GA30548@gonzales> <4E9E3C5F.2000606@gmail.com> <201110190014.14668.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Luke Bergen Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 00:23:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fad0f755feb04af9f35dc X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf300fad0f755feb04af9f35dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > And Rosta: > I think it would be good to have other gadri based on a model in which > there are no types, only instances. I'm only barely able to follow this conversation but couldn't that be what "le" is thought of as? My understanding of "le" is that you must have an actual broda in mind. I don't know the technical definitions, but that sounds like it could be thought of as an "instance" to me. On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 18 October 2011 22:56:31 And Rosta wrote: > > Is there consensus on what fractional quantifiers should mean? I find it > > hard to think of an valid argument for piro being distinct from ro. > > piro is numerically equal to pa. "piro donri" and "pa donri" mean the same, > except for the implied contrast (a whole day, not just a morning; one day, > not two or more). > > On Tuesday 18 October 2011 23:59:58 And Rosta wrote: > > Martin Bays, On 18/10/2011 04:26: > > > Does every mammal give birth to live young? > > > > At the species level yes (afaik), at the organism level no. > > lo'e .ornitorinku cu na'e fadni mabru ki'u lo nu na'o se jbena re sovda .i > lo > zalgosu ji'a cu sovmabru > > mu'omi'e .pier. > -- > Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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And Rosta:
I think = it would be good to have other gadri based on a model in which there are no= types, only instances.=A0

I'm only barely able to follow this conversation bu= t couldn't that be what "le" is thought of as? =A0My understa= nding of "le" is that you must have an actual broda in mind. =A0I= don't know the technical definitions, but that sounds like it could be= thought of as an "instance" to me.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Pierre Abb= at <phma@phma.op= tus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 18 October 2011 22:56:31 And Rosta wrote:
> Is there consensus on what fractional quantifiers should mean? I find = it
> hard to think of an valid argument for piro being distinct from ro.
piro is numerically equal to pa. "piro donri" and "pa = donri" mean the same,
except for the implied contrast (a whole day, not just a morning; one day,<= br> not two or more).

On Tuesday 18 October 2011 23:59:58 And Rosta wrote:
> Martin Bays, On 18/10/2011 04:26:
> > Does every mammal give birth to live young?
>
> At the species level yes (afaik), at the organism level no.

lo'e .ornitorinku cu na'e fadni mabru ki'u lo nu na'o= se jbena re sovda .i lo
zalgosu ji'a cu sovmabru

mu'omi'e .pier.
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Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar.

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