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Martin Bays, On 19/10/2011 05:30:
> * Wednesday, 2011-10-19 at 03:56 +0100 - And Rosta<and.rosta@gmail.com>:
>> Is there consensus on what fractional quantifiers should mean?
>
> Not to my knowledge.
>
>> I find it hard to think of an valid argument for piro being distinct from ro.
>
> There seems to be at least some consensus that {ro} is a singular
> quantifier. {piPA} has tended to be used for other things.
>
> If {pi za'u} is to be a plural existential quantifier, which it would be
> very useful for it to be, then it seems we're obliged to have {pi ro
> ko'a} == {ko'a} (just a null-op), and have {pi ro broda} being, for
> distributive broda, the plurality formed from the extension of broda.
> For non-distributive broda, it's less clear.

Ah, I see. So for "pi mu plise" there are three candidate meanings: "half an apple" (Pierre's), "half of appledom" (my stab at glossing yours), and "one in every two apples" (what I had vaguely thought it meant before this conversation).
  
>>>>> So maybe {loi} should actually be defined like that. {loi cinfo} means
>>>>> precisely the same thing as "the lions".
>>>>
>>>> I think "the lions" would mean {lei cinfo}, actually, but that's
>>>> a point about English, and doesn't contradict your underlying point.
>>>
>>> Just making a veridiciality distinction? Or specificity too?
>>
>> I don't know how sclerotic my thinking is, but I'm thinking "the
>> lions" is {lo co'e voi cinfo} (or maybe also your {loi co'e voi
>> cinfo}) and "le broda" is "lo co'e voi broda" (and "lei broda" "lei
>> co'e voi broda").
>
> So just adding non-veridiciality?

adding nonveridicality with voi, and specificity with co'e.

--And.

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