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[192.94.73.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id lf12si4820927pbb.2.2011.10.19.19.43.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.94.73.19; Received: from gonzales.homelinux.org (root@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9K2hHDA001813 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 02:43:17 GMT Received: from martin by gonzales.homelinux.org with local (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1RGibE-0000YH-Pl for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 22:43:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 22:43:16 -0400 From: Martin Bays To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable Message-ID: <20111020024316.GI5010@gonzales> References: <1318202744.44997.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111018033124.GA30548@gonzales> <4E9E3C5F.2000606@gmail.com> <201110190014.14668.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4E9F2154.9010009@gmail.com> <1319076952.87751.YahooMailRC@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6lCXDTVICvIQMz0h" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1319076952.87751.YahooMailRC@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-PGP-Key: http://mbays.freeshell.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-KeyId: B5FB2CD6 X-cunselcu'a-valsi: kicne User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: mbays@sdf.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mbays@sdf.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --6lCXDTVICvIQMz0h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Wednesday, 2011-10-19 at 19:15 -0700 - John E Clifford : > I think that "one of every two" came out as "1/2" or some such. I am not= =20 > confident that {pi mu plise} means "half an apple", which might better be= =20 > something about an apple half. {pi mu lo plise} is a bunch of apples hal= f the=20 > size of {lo plise}. Do you really mean that, rather than having it be a quantifier? i.e. rather than having {pi mu lo plise cu broda} to mean that some bunch of apples half the size of lo plise satisfies broda? Martin > ----- Original Message ---- > From: And Rosta > To: lojban@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wed, October 19, 2011 2:13:24 PM > Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plu= ral=20 > variable >=20 > Pierre Abbat, On 19/10/2011 05:14: > > On Tuesday 18 October 2011 22:56:31 And Rosta wrote: > >> Is there consensus on what fractional quantifiers should mean? I find = it > >> hard to think of an valid argument for piro being distinct from ro. > > > > piro is numerically equal to pa. "piro donri" and "pa donri" mean the s= ame, > > except for the implied contrast (a whole day, not just a morning; one d= ay, > > not two or more). >=20 > Ah, so "pi mu plise" is "half an apple" rather than "one in every two app= les",=20 > then. That must have been settled after my intensive involvement ended. W= hat=20 > ended up being the way of doing "one in every two apples"? --6lCXDTVICvIQMz0h Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6fisQACgkQULC7OLX7LNb2AQCgokrxoWUSy8Du5gIrqJFsgO2I hY8Anix8F0/gvKQKYYQREpQ7+Fe2Ekmd =a6R9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6lCXDTVICvIQMz0h--