Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:49818) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RGyeb-0005ZA-B3; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:51:56 -0700 Received: by qadb10 with SMTP id b10sf1039162qad.16 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:51:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=6YIRsgLkA5mGzCbxQwRK2cZRizudMF6rCpozvZ2XKlU=; b=XATJXLQjuKHNeGxNSi4GSLvPXijs8bZciZ9cWY7cT5B4iRZtVc39d1IWGWIqIvtxBL jH37NwZcG4LwOGMisqSMGTh26drJEK4ByE394AhLjRfrejli7+yF4E9aXQWC/7Anacu7 8Mc0ebkhX+jn9mB6WXpgjLUrFM41FJKKzluvs= Received: by 10.224.186.80 with SMTP id cr16mr2881808qab.6.1319140300338; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:51:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.184.209 with SMTP id cl17ls7569301qab.0.gmail; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.78.205 with SMTP id m13mr7829425qak.4.1319140299690; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.78.205 with SMTP id m13mr7829424qak.4.1319140299681; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com. [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s41si5268871qcq.3.2011.10.20.12.51.37; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Ri5u3PlAq/1Uv+Mf6lrMSBCtIb5BqfMjuDuUC3EjppU= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=KzwH6buut6wA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=NOANp8hT3SERgXJj22sA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:52363] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 29/45-26592-9CB70AE4; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:51:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EC921699 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:51:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:51:32 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <1318202744.44997.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111020024316.GI5010@gonzales> <2ED1B557-FC74-49F5-BC89-E88103383350@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <2ED1B557-FC74-49F5-BC89-E88103383350@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201110201551.34676.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Thursday 20 October 2011 12:32:45 John E. Clifford wrote: > Sorry, don"t see how what you say differs from what I say: {pi mu lo plise > cu broda} means that a subset of lo plise with half it's cardinality > satisfies (in some unspecified -- but hopefully obvious from context -- > way) {broda}. {pimu lo plise} is half of {pa lo plise}. {pimu lo plise cu nenri le tanxe} means "half an apple is in the box", not "half of the apples are in the box". I think the correct way to say "half the apples" or "one of every two apples", without splitting apples, is "pa lo'e re plise". Pierre -- The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.