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[75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id c23si5828281qci.0.2011.10.20.20.25.33; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 20:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=xpiJhaXcY9g2L5+PPpDCkNh+KVu4STcfCxbrT9KJo/A= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=gsB5ZBqpcKUA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=71nMgyIDJC74_fEQIE8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3krFxDrFgGWhPJX6:21 a=_RknWSekVgr3khhB:21 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:59031] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 7D/7C-02292-C26E0AE4; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 03:25:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F8E17C27 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 23:25:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 23:25:20 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <1318202744.44997.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201110201551.34676.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4EA0D3C2.4050708@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4EA0D3C2.4050708@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201110202325.23106.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Thursday 20 October 2011 22:06:58 And Rosta wrote: > When I was last up-to-date with developments, nothing was official, but I > think I can recall the rudiments of our best efforts at that time to > construct a consistent and rational gadri system. As far as I now recall, > "half an apple" would be "lo pi mu plise", while "pi mu lo plise" would be > the "one in every two apples" one. If "pimu lo plise" means "one in every two apples", then "pa lo plise" should mean "every apple". I think "lo pimu plise" is "a half apple" and "pimu lo plise" is "half an apple"; not much distinction, but it does make a difference when the number is an integer greater than 1. > Has lo'e received a definition in recent years? In my recollection, it was > virtually meaningless. I can see the idea behind the "pa + gadri + re", > though it would be a bit cumbersome, tho not necessarily unfitting, to > express "22.22% of applies" as not "pi re re re re lo plise" but "re re re > re lo'e pa no no no no plise". As I understand it, "lo'e plise" means an apple that is a representative or average of all apples, so "lo'e re plise" means an average or representative pair of apples (not a pear of apples, of course). I'd say "pirererere loi plise" or "rerepirerece'i loi plise", but it's probably really "re lo'e so plise" before someone rounded it off. Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.