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Clifford" X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 1_10632987_AHbHjkQAASuOTqC5NQPxCEbEKCA Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 05:55:03 -0400 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.212.188 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Okay. I took {lo plise} to be a constant in the context ( as it usually is), but I see how that may not have been clear. Sent from my iPad On Oct 20, 2011, at 20:13, Martin Bays wrote: > * Thursday, 2011-10-20 at 12:32 -0400 - John E. Clifford : > >> Sorry, don"t see how what you say differs from what I say: {pi mu lo >> plise cu broda} means that a subset of lo plise with half it's >> cardinality satisfies (in some unspecified -- but hopefully obvious >> from context -- way) {broda}. > > Good, that's what I hoped (and expected) you meant. > > My only point was that what you said: >>>> {pi mu lo plise} is a bunch of apples half the size of {lo plise}. > could be (mis)interpreted as meaning that {pi mu lo plise} is a constant > with referent a bunch of apples half the size of the referent of {lo > plise}, with no quantifier involved. > >> On Oct 19, 2011, at 22:43, Martin Bays wrote: >> >>> * Wednesday, 2011-10-19 at 19:15 -0700 - John E Clifford : >>> >>>> I think that "one of every two" came out as "1/2" or some such. I am not >>>> confident that {pi mu plise} means "half an apple", which might better be >>>> something about an apple half. {pi mu lo plise} is a bunch of apples half the >>>> size of {lo plise}. >>> >>> Do you really mean that, rather than having it be a quantifier? >>> >>> i.e. rather than having {pi mu lo plise cu broda} to mean that some >>> bunch of apples half the size of lo plise satisfies broda? >>> >>> Martin >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: And Rosta >>>> To: lojban@googlegroups.com >>>> Sent: Wed, October 19, 2011 2:13:24 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural >>>> variable >>>> >>>> Pierre Abbat, On 19/10/2011 05:14: >>>>> On Tuesday 18 October 2011 22:56:31 And Rosta wrote: >>>>>> Is there consensus on what fractional quantifiers should mean? I find it >>>>>> hard to think of an valid argument for piro being distinct from ro. >>>>> >>>>> piro is numerically equal to pa. "piro donri" and "pa donri" mean the same, >>>>> except for the implied contrast (a whole day, not just a morning; one day, >>>>> not two or more). >>>> >>>> Ah, so "pi mu plise" is "half an apple" rather than "one in every two apples", >>>> then. That must have been settled after my intensive involvement ended. What >>>> ended up being the way of doing "one in every two apples"? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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