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Martin Bays, On 21/10/2011 05:12:
> * Thursday, 2011-10-20 at 23:25 -0400 - Pierre Abbat<phma@phma.optus.nu>:
>
>> On Thursday 20 October 2011 22:06:58 And Rosta wrote:
>>> When I was last up-to-date with developments, nothing was official, but I
>>> think I can recall the rudiments of our best efforts at that time to
>>> construct a consistent and rational gadri system. As far as I now recall,
>>> "half an apple" would be "lo pi mu plise", while "pi mu lo plise" would be
>>> the "one in every two apples" one.
>>
>> If "pimu lo plise" means "one in every two apples", then "pa lo plise" should
>> mean "every apple". I think "lo pimu plise" is "a half apple"
>
> But {lo PA broda cu broda} is meant to be a tautology. Half-apples
> aren't apples.

So {lo pi mu plise cu plise} fails that test, but {lo pi mu djacu cu djacu} passes it.

Following a line of thought that that observation initiates, I note that by the Goatleg rule, {su'o plise} is okay but {su'o djacu} is not and would instead have to be {za'u djacu} or {ci'i djacu}.

--And.

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